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for the masses headline additional july

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the army air force's has announced that

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a flying bist has been found and is now

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in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black it's your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you are listening to fade to black with

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good evening all right fade to black

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yeah how you doing how you doing man

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today is monday

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march 8th 2021 67 days into the new year

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown burbank

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california and i would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across

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the united states hither and tether to

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and fro back and forth

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up and down east and west north and

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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and kg r a the planets

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i'm yours jimmy church what is cracking

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everybody how you doing this monday

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it is indeed monday

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yeah what a great week we've got coming

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tonight dr lin kitai joins us

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this week is the 24th anniversary of the

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to today all of that coming up in just a

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dr lynn kitai tomorrow night chris

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bledsoe senior joins us

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and uh we're going to be talking about

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what is going on um always great when

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night about contact in 2021

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every single week we've got some

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the rough cut of the film uh over the

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weekend which i got to watch

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i hope you had a great weekend

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two as well okay follow me on twitter

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at j church radio if you haven't done

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hello to everybody on the bunker cam

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all right uh move some stuff around in

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i'm just warning everybody i'm gonna be

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twitter hashtag f2b all right hashtag

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all right and uh uh

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there's a hole there's a whole nother

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uh where am i let's get to the breaking

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oh i want to give everybody the heads up

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uh tonight

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uh for lynn's uh conversation

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if you go over to jimmychurchradio.com

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you can click on her

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the phoenix lights.net website and go to

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um we will be using those photos there

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going to post some of them up in twitter

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but um all of the photos that we're

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over at uh the phoenix lights.net the

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jimmychurchradio.com all right let's get

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to the breaking news

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species now this i okay you know

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this this made all the mainstream media

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this and i i had

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read renee's caption of of this story

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and i saw how in the mainstream news i

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holy crap this is news

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two species of sea slugs

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from the noggin down now this is all

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just

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you would think we'd already have known

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that this was recently discovered in

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japan

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scientists over there said that this

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incredible feat of regeneration can be

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achieved in just a couple of weeks

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and it's absolutely mind-blowing now

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this is the thing

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um in the animal kingdom right we know

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that there are some animals out there

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that can replace an

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arm right a leg a tail right

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salamanders whatever and a predator

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bites it off it can be

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regrown but these sea slugs which belong

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to a group called psychoglossans

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can take it to the next level by

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regrowing an entirely new body from

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just their heads which and this is the

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crazy part

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they are able to detach from their

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original bodies by themselves

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on purpose

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right wake up one day i want a new body

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cut your own head off grow a fresh one

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i'm i'm just blown away by that all

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right

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there's a dutch startup that has

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reportedly engaged in

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automated drone warfare

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in a miniature scale by the way by

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protecting

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sensitive crops inside greenhouses from

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the menace

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of wayward moths

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that's right the company called pats

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p-a-t-s

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indoor drone solutions was the

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brainchild of former students of the

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technical university in delft

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who wondered whether they could use

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miniature drones or miniature drones

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to kill the mosquitoes buzzing around

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their dorm rooms at night

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fast forward a few years and they have

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developed a prototype armada

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of aerial drones to kill moths

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i love it they're currently testing the

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drones at a greenhouse which is used for

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growing

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aromatic seedlings exotic plants and

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flowers

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for use in upmarket restaurants around

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the world

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a miniature drone swarm

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attacking moths awesome archaeologists

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in egypt

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have discovered the oldest pet cemetery

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on record this is not a stephen king

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novel

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a nearly 2 000 year old burial mound

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filled with

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the well-loved animals including the

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remains of cats and monkeys still

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wearing

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collars stringed with shell glass and

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stone beads

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all of this in a new study

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archaeologists discovered the pet

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cemetery which dates to the first and

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second centuries a.d

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during egypt's early roman period by

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accident for years researchers have

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excavated the

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outskirts of bernice because it houses

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an ancient

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dump filled with rubbish from egyptian

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society the entire study was published

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online you can check it out

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in the journal world archaeology i would

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have thought

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it would have been 4 000 years old i

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wasn't thinking first century a.d

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i thought that they yeah right mummified

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cats everywhere

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so yeah there you go let's get the show

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cracking happy birthday to

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today james van der beek

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james remember him james van der beek is

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44 years old dawson's creek the monkeys

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stickman mickey dolan's today is 76

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and randy meisner is 75 of course the

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original bass player in the eagles

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left poco for the eagles and then when

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he left

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the eagles the his replacement in poco

383
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timothy b schmidt was hired to replace

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him in the eagles that's just the way it

385
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was

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back in the 70s i guess and it's kind of

387
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strange but that's the way it went down

388
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of course he was the singer lead singer

389
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on

390
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take it to the limit three dog night

391
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guitarist

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michael alsup today is 74

393
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and gary newman is 63. that's right

394
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cars the gary newman 63 years old our

395
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dead guy's birthday today is the one and

396
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only moment of silence please

397
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clive burr 1957-2013 at the age of 56.

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clive

399
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was previously a member of samson and

400
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then

401
00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:04,799
joined iron maiden in 1979

402
00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:06,320
auditioning and joining upon the

403
00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:08,000
recommendation of then iron maiden

404
00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:10,240
guitarist dennis stratton

405
00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:14,080
burr played on their first three records

406
00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:16,960
iron maiden killers and their

407
00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:18,720
breakthrough released number of the

408
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:21,440
beast which was the maiden debut

409
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:24,640
of bruce dickinson he played on the

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first three made albums

411
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:29,840
and that stick work influenced an

412
00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:32,640
entire generation of heavy metal

413
00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:34,559
drummers clive was diagnosed with

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multiple

415
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sclerosis in the late 1990s the

416
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treatment of which left him deeply

417
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:43,120
in debt iron maiden staged a series of

418
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charity concerts that were involved in

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the founding of

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00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:49,440
the clive burr ms trust fund

421
00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:52,799
he died in his sleep on march 12 2013

422
00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:56,480
in london four days after his 56th

423
00:20:00,230 --> 00:19:59,200
birthday due to complications related to

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00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:00,240
ms

425
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:02,640
happy birthday clive burr on this day in

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00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:04,799
history 2014

427
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:07,919
malaysia airlines flight 370

428
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:10,400
carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew

429
00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:11,440
members

430
00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:13,600
loses contact with air traffic control

431
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:15,760
less than an hour after taking off from

432
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:17,440
kuala lumpur

433
00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:20,960
it veers off course and then disappears

434
00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:24,880
it is still missing fader fact

435
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:28,480
the letter a doesn't appear in a written

436
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:29,520
number

437
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:32,880
until you reach 1000

438
00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:35,280
and that is your fader fact tonight lynn

439
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:36,880
ketai joins us

440
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:40,080
it is this week the 24th anniversary of

441
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:41,840
the phoenix lights tomorrow night chris

442
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:43,760
bledsoe returns

443
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:46,480
wednesday night it is harvard's

444
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:47,120
professor

445
00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:49,039
avi loeb joining us to talk about his

446
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:51,200
new book extraterrestrial thursday of

447
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:51,919
course

448
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,000
is another fader night with open lines

449
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:55,919
all night long

450
00:21:03,510 --> 00:20:58,000
all right there you go time for me to

451
00:21:08,430 --> 00:21:03,520
hit this river moon coffee

452
00:21:12,909 --> 00:21:10,470
rivermoonwellness.com

453
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:12,919
that's right links are over at

454
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:14,240
jimmychurchradio.com

455
00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:16,960
and of course our game changer blend uh

456
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:18,880
game changer blend only on the amazon

457
00:21:21,549 --> 00:21:19,360
store

458
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:21,559
the links are over at

459
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:23,200
jimmychurchradio.com

460
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:26,320
promo code f2b blend 15 off of your

461
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order today

462
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:41,909
every morning i wake up it doesn't

463
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:43,760
matter what day of the week it is

464
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:47,919
i wake up sometimes i smell the coffee

465
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:50,000
rita's already brewing right i smell it

466
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:51,600
that that happens

467
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:53,600
i wake up immediately but if i wake up

468
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:55,200
and get you know

469
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:58,480
your sleep i'm awake that's it i i have

470
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:00,080
to get up but

471
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:04,559
on the mornings that i wake up by myself

472
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:07,919
first thing i do man slippers on

473
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:10,480
down the stairs straight to the coffee

474
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:11,760
machine i don't do anything

475
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,710
i don't want i need that coffee

476
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,080
something about that going out to the

477
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:24,720
back patio with uh and it's just my

478
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:25,679
routine now

479
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:29,039
and sitting down sun dogs

480
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:32,159
birds chirping cup of coffee

481
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:34,720
fresh air and i can start my day that's

482
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:35,679
it

483
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:41,520
climate i'm so screwed

484
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:44,240
i'm gonna still get right shovel the

485
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:45,919
patio

486
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:49,760
get the snow off brush the snow off the

487
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:50,480
chairs

488
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:54,000
sit down yeah

489
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:57,039
coffee over the last

490
00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:00,480
week there's been quite a dust up over

491
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:01,760
the comments made by

492
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:05,200
one neil degrasse tyson

493
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:09,520
about the tic tac

494
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:12,640
now i personally went through probably

495
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,000
500 comments maybe more maybe a thousand

496
00:23:20,830 --> 00:23:18,480
you know somewhere in there in his

497
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:20,840
facebook post

498
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,000
and most of those comments from his

499
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:26,400
followers were calling him

500
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:29,760
a paid government shell an outright

501
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:31,679
disinfo agent

502
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:36,480
pulling no punches going for the throat

503
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:39,360
his posted comment about the tic tac was

504
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:40,799
quote

505
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:44,320
not knowing what it is does not count as

506
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:47,919
evidence for knowing what it is

507
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:51,760
end quote to date

508
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:55,039
it has garnered 97 000

509
00:24:02,950 --> 00:23:59,679
likes 11 000 comments

510
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:02,960
and 6 000 shares his public facebook

511
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:05,520
page has 5.2

512
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:08,400
million followers there is no question

513
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:12,320
of his rockstar status as a physicist

514
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:14,480
he has a tremendous amount of influence

515
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:15,520
with his fans

516
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:20,000
5.2 million followers but

517
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,640
he should also take notice with the tone

518
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:24,480
of the responses

519
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:29,039
to his post but i doubt that he does

520
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:32,080
so an awful lot of reading time i only

521
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:34,159
got through 500 maybe a thousand

522
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:37,919
myself i gave up after a few hours

523
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:40,480
but he definitely should pay someone to

524
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:41,840
read through it all and give him an

525
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:44,559
outline of the general flavor

526
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:48,400
of the outrage his comment

527
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,600
was supposed to make him look smart at

528
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:53,039
least

529
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,840
that's what he thinks and it did the

530
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:57,840
exact opposite

531
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:00,880
he would have done much better and

532
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:03,760
would have been much better served if he

533
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:04,880
was just to say

534
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:09,120
hey i don't think it's aliens

535
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:11,760
just leave it at that this would have

536
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:14,159
kept him in the clear

537
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,200
because well he doesn't

538
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,440
think that tic tac is an alien he

539
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:21,760
doesn't so just say it

540
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:24,880
just say it remember

541
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:27,520
neither do i i don't think that tic tac

542
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:28,480
is alien

543
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:31,520
i don't i think it's terrestrial i think

544
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:32,960
it's very explainable

545
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:40,310
that is about the only thing that neil

546
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:41,279
and i

547
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:44,480
actually agree on his knowledge of the

548
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:45,520
sciences and

549
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:48,880
physics is strong and deep i'm not sure

550
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:51,840
how much actual work he does these days

551
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:53,919
as in real research or working on

552
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:57,120
algorithms and math his focus

553
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:00,799
now is television and appearances

554
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:04,080
all around the world and i get it i'd do

555
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:05,520
it too if i could

556
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:09,039
but his opinions on things today

557
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:12,000
are for publicity and only fit the

558
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:13,440
situation that he's in

559
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:17,679
at the moment because he is the king

560
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:21,360
of the flip-flop this weekend i started

561
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:24,000
season three of cosmos

562
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:26,480
and i'm about halfway through it and

563
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,480
it's actually pretty good

564
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,880
he's the host he's reading from a

565
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:32,159
teleprompter

566
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:33,919
probably has nothing to do with its

567
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,000
content and honestly

568
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:38,720
he's the worst part of the show it's the

569
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,000
data that's presented that counts

570
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:44,240
and he does a less than average job at

571
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:45,679
reading the words

572
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:48,960
okay he's not that good the show itself

573
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:51,679
is breathtaking in its scope the

574
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:53,600
graphics are world-class and the

575
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ideas that are brought forward are worth

576
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:57,360
putting up

577
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:01,840
just gonna say it

578
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,799
you just kind of tolerate it in fact

579
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:06,960
after a while

580
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:10,000
he just becomes invisible it's no biggie

581
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:10,640
you're just

582
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:16,159
don't care about neil but

583
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:19,679
and here's the big one but time after

584
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,320
time

585
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:22,799
episode after episode neil talks about

586
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:25,120
how much life there is out there

587
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:28,640
that it's everywhere how it fights for

588
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:29,760
survival

589
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:33,679
in our solar system and beyond

590
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:39,919
he talks about how much we don't know

591
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:43,600
and it and turns it into a very

592
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:45,279
convincing argument

593
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:48,559
about how much life is out there

594
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:51,919
and it's fantastic and it's well done

595
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:55,279
but it's also the opposite

596
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:58,559
of his post from last week

597
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:01,360
remember his post is not knowing what it

598
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:02,000
is does not

599
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:04,000
count as evidence for knowing what it is

600
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:05,440
which is the exact

601
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:16,870
you see neil is the victim

602
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:20,960
of neil he has to be the smartest guy in

603
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:23,279
the world at all times and he

604
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:27,120
really believes this imagine

605
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:30,399
being neil degrasse tyson no matter what

606
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,440
you say

607
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,840
the words are coming from the smartest

608
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guy in the world

609
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:39,200
at least this is what he

610
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:42,840
believes and he can't get out of his own

611
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:44,240
way

612
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:46,159
i almost posted this comment in his

613
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:48,159
thread from the weekend but i didn't for

614
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,360
many reasons but the main thing for me

615
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,520
is that i don't think he's a paid

616
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:54,960
government shell so i'm not

617
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:57,440
going to be part of this thread and i

618
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:58,080
don't want to

619
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:01,360
seem that like i'm jumping on on that

620
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:02,240
bandwagon

621
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:05,360
because i'm not i just think he's got a

622
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:06,799
good agent

623
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:08,559
and he's making a pretty good living at

624
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:09,840
it at

625
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:12,880
i don't even know what he does actually

626
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:15,760
but he's doing good for himself and i

627
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,440
know that there are those out there

628
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,440
who thought that i would pat him on the

629
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:21,440
back for discounting the tic tac as

630
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:23,679
anything extraterrestrial

631
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:26,159
well i would have if he had done it the

632
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:26,880
right way

633
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:30,159
by the way but to be really honest here

634
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:32,000
i haven't agreed with any of his

635
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:34,159
opinions over the years and yes i said

636
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:34,640
annie

637
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:38,240
as in all in totality his presentations

638
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:40,640
with facts are solid but

639
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:42,559
that's just reading from a textbook and

640
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,320
anybody could do it

641
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,559
the chances of neil and i sitting down

642
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:48,559
and having a conversation are very very

643
00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:49,760
slim and i get that

644
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:52,840
i've reached out to him he has passed

645
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:56,080
twice okay but you can never predict the

646
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:56,960
future though

647
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:59,520
so you never know but i'll say this i

648
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:00,640
could stand up

649
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:05,120
to neil i would counter and jab

650
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,320
and in the end he would tap out

651
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,799
you see there is a big difference

652
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:12,480
between the two of us

653
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:16,480
i still think wonder ponder

654
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:19,760
and i write my own material just watch

655
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,559
season three of cosmos you'll pick up

656
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,720
what i'm putting down

657
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,640
this is fade to black i am your host

658
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:28,240
jimmy church tonight dr lin

659
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:32,000
kitai joins us this week is the 24th

660
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:33,919
anniversary hard to believe

661
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of the phoenix lights tomorrow night the

662
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:37,760
return of chris bledsoe

663
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:40,159
wednesday night professor avi loeb of

664
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:41,919
harvard joins us

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thursday is another fader night with

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open lines all night long i'm your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer network and kgra

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the planet i'll be back with dr lynn

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you can do today

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is to stockpile emergency food water

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should too right now save twenty percent

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your father's radio show on the game

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and kgra the planet

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you're listening to jimmychurchradio.com

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matthews

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00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:00,870
all right welcome back

775
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,720
fade to black i am your host jimmy

776
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,240
church

777
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,720
what a great week we have got coming up

778
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:09,119
tonight of course dr lynn kitai

779
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:12,640
joins us it is the 24th anniversary

780
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:14,960
this week of the phoenix lights tomorrow

781
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:17,200
night chris bledsoe returns

782
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:19,359
and then wednesday night it is harvard's

783
00:36:22,910 --> 00:36:21,119
professor avi loeb

784
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:22,920
joins us to discuss his new book

785
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:24,320
extraterrestrial

786
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,839
thursday night of course is another

787
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:27,359
fader night with open lines

788
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:30,079
all night long but tonight it's dr

789
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:31,520
linkitai

790
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,440
and we are going to discuss all of the

791
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:35,280
details from the beginning

792
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:37,040
through to today we're going to get

793
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:39,280
everybody fully updated on the phoenix

794
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:40,079
lights

795
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,680
she's an internationally acclaimed

796
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:43,440
physician and health educator who pushed

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00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:45,520
aside her successful medical career to

798
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:46,160
pres

799
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:49,280
to pursue the phoenix lights book

800
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:50,560
internationally award-winning

801
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:53,119
documentary and curricular projects she

802
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,000
is the leading

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00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:56,320
and cutting edge era of early disease

804
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:57,200
detection

805
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:58,960
and prevention as chief clinical

806
00:37:01,430 --> 00:37:01,040
consultant at the world-renowned arizona

807
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:01,440
heart

808
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,720
institute in phoenix arizona now until

809
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:06,640
coming forward after seven years of

810
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,680
anonymity

811
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:09,119
as a key witness to the still

812
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:10,720
unexplained arizona

813
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,640
mass events of march 13 1997.

814
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:16,720
dr lin received her bachelor's of

815
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:18,560
science degree in secondary science

816
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,760
education with the minors in

817
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:21,359
communications and voice

818
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:23,680
from temple university in philadelphia

819
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:24,880
in 1970

820
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:26,560
she received her medical degree from

821
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:28,400
temple university school of medicine in

822
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:29,760
1974

823
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,240
and completed her postgraduate studies

824
00:37:36,430 --> 00:37:34,720
at the medical college of pennsylvania

825
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,440
her website of course is right there

826
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:39,040
jimmyturtradio.com the phoenixlights.net

827
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,800
the link to everything

828
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:42,400
that we are going to be talking about

829
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,560
tonight are over on her website

830
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:46,400
you can just click right there and i

831
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:48,000
would like to welcome back to fade to

832
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:48,880
black

833
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:51,839
dr lynn kitai dr lynn how are you

834
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:52,880
tonight

835
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:57,119
i am terrific very excited to share um

836
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,640
data that probably a lot of your

837
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,400
listeners have heard but a lot of new

838
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,160
data that they probably haven't

839
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:04,480
because there is so much misinformation

840
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:05,760
even still

841
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,920
uh to what is being called now the most

842
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,119
witnessed most

843
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,280
documented and most important mess and

844
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:12,960
almost aerial sighting

845
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:15,280
in modern history if not all of history

846
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:16,160
and uh

847
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,079
it's a thrill to be with you all yeah

848
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:20,079
and thank you so much for that dr lynn

849
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:23,520
i i want to um uh i want to share with

850
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:24,480
everybody

851
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:26,160
what you and i talked about this week

852
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:27,839
which i thought was

853
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:30,160
a lot of fun but it also caught me by

854
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:32,240
surprise and that was i was out driving

855
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:33,599
in my car

856
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:37,200
um uh two weeks ago let me back up

857
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:40,320
two weeks ago when american airlines

858
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:41,760
flight 2292

859
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:43,599
the story first broke i was in the

860
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,800
middle of a live broadcast uh for uh

861
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:48,640
for a conference for the conscious life

862
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:50,000
expo and

863
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:53,200
the news broke in and i think i i had on

864
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:56,240
uh your friend uh linda molten howe

865
00:39:02,150 --> 00:38:59,359
and um uh uh uh

866
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:02,160
nick pope and the story broke and i said

867
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:03,359
then

868
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:06,880
i've got the feeling this is going to be

869
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:09,839
some very big news but at the time on

870
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:12,000
sunday this is just a couple of hours

871
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:15,280
after the initial sighting now later on

872
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:17,280
that week as the story is starting to

873
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:19,599
break i'm driving around in my car

874
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:21,520
and i'm listening to talk radio and

875
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:23,119
there it is right there

876
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:26,720
on talk radio dr lynn kitai

877
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,960
is joining us to talk about this

878
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:30,960
sighting of american airlines

879
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:33,839
and and i thought how cool is that right

880
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:35,200
and knowing that you were going to be on

881
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:37,040
the show and everything else

882
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:40,320
um but is it something that

883
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,680
are you comfortable with media reaching

884
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:45,760
out to you in moments like this where

885
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:47,359
there's a breaking

886
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:50,400
uh story and now they want to bring you

887
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,200
in what do you think is going on with

888
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:55,200
all of the mass media coverage right now

889
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:56,000
with the ufo

890
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:59,599
subject actually it's it that is such a

891
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:01,359
great point and i'm glad that you led

892
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:02,720
off with that because of course you've

893
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:04,960
been so open to the topic and which is

894
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:05,920
wonderful

895
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:09,119
um but way back in 97 when the phoenix

896
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:11,040
lights man sighting happened

897
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:13,359
um it was quite the opposite there was

898
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,560
so much ridicule

899
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:16,880
and criticism and snickering and

900
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:19,119
laughing and discrediting going on

901
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:21,280
i was very happy to keep anonymous for

902
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:22,319
seven years

903
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:23,920
since i came forward and it's

904
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,760
interesting um

905
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:28,079
as well i had done i've actually

906
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:29,440
dedicated my life's work

907
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,160
ironically enough for over 40 years to

908
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:34,079
community education of vital health

909
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:34,960
issues

910
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:38,160
um i appeared on nbc in philadelphia

911
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,680
and the syndication grew from that which

912
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:41,280
was showing in phoenix when we moved

913
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:43,680
here in 1980 on cbs

914
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:45,520
then also worked with nbc in the early

915
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:46,720
80s and then

916
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:49,760
usa cable before forming my own company

917
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:51,760
to produce video workbook curriculums on

918
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:53,599
the realities of vital health issues so

919
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:54,240
when this

920
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:57,359
topic fell in my lap i certainly felt

921
00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:00,319
compelled as a scientist as a physician

922
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:02,480
as well to let people know they're not

923
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:04,160
crazy and they're not alone even though

924
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:06,079
most anomalies can be explained

925
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:08,319
only a small percentage cannot but just

926
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:10,000
because we don't have the technology yet

927
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,680
to definitively define what these things

928
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:13,680
are it doesn't mean they're not real

929
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:15,440
and certainly as an experience for

930
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:17,920
myself and as an educator for over 40

931
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:18,640
years

932
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:21,200
um when i did come forward finally after

933
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:23,119
much soul searching and seven

934
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:24,720
seven years later after the mass

935
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,960
sighting in a 750 page journal that i

936
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,560
squeezed down to the best

937
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:30,720
of what i could find and it's now in its

938
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:31,839
fourth print

939
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:33,520
i have to say that people that i had

940
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:35,440
worked with in the media

941
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:37,040
knew that i would not come forward

942
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,720
unless i did my homework

943
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,560
and that it was real and that it was

944
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:42,240
important and even though

945
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:43,680
i don't know what they were and i've

946
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:45,280
never said what they were i just knew

947
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:46,079
that they were

948
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:47,599
but it's time we get this topic out in

949
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:49,359
the open and address it and accept it

950
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:50,960
and study it so we can find out who's

951
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:52,240
driving these things

952
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:53,680
and i must say that the media

953
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:56,000
particularly locally here

954
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,079
in arizona um knew me from the early 80s

955
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:02,480
and they really embraced what i was

956
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:04,319
saying and they have taken it so

957
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:05,359
seriously

958
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:08,319
which is what needs to happen um yes

959
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:09,440
those things can

960
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:11,359
be explained and certainly many

961
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:12,880
sightings that we have or

962
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,520
either drones or blooms or chinese

963
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,520
lanterns or flares or whatever

964
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,839
but there are a small percentage that

965
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:21,520
cannot and now they're taking it

966
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:22,319
seriously

967
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:25,359
and to answer your question um i welcome

968
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:27,359
them to to call me because we've had

969
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:28,480
we've had instances

970
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:29,839
after the right before the 10th

971
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:31,760
anniversary actually right before

972
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:35,119
um our governor came forward we had a

973
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:36,000
stream of

974
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:38,079
flares being sent off and by then i had

975
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:39,760
trained my myself to

976
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:41,359
to know the difference between flares

977
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:42,560
and the phoenix lights which we'll get

978
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:43,200
to

979
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:46,319
um but i had so many calls

980
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:49,680
in in real time from the media from all

981
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:51,280
the stations and i said don't get so

982
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:52,480
excited

983
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:53,839
because they were getting lots of calls

984
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:55,520
from people what the heck is that

985
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:58,400
um you know it was a it was a prime

986
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:59,040
moment

987
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,359
to actually educate the public to the

988
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:02,880
difference between phoenix lights and

989
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:04,400
flares which we did the next day on

990
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:05,760
several channels so

991
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,680
um you know when i get a call from the

992
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:09,359
uh from the local media

993
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,880
um they know that i'm going to take it

994
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:12,720
seriously and they take it seriously and

995
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:14,319
i'm going to do my homework which i i

996
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:15,680
did concerning the

997
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:18,720
um the american airlines sighting and

998
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,520
which was

999
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:21,599
very ironic for me personally is when i

1000
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:22,960
heard that they saw

1001
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:27,119
a cylinder go over their jet

1002
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:29,520
if you go to the photo page which we're

1003
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,040
also going to be referring to on the

1004
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:33,599
phoenix lights network website

1005
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:36,079
which is a unique collection by the way

1006
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,079
of 35 millimeter photographs

1007
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:40,160
of these anomalous aerial phenomena that

1008
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:41,280
i've been uh

1009
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:44,720
gathering for for a couple decades now

1010
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:47,280
and have had studies by university and

1011
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:48,400
military optical

1012
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:51,680
physicists a number of them

1013
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:53,680
to explain to me what they were and

1014
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:54,800
nobody can

1015
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,880
but if you go down to the bottom of that

1016
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:58,560
page you'll see two separate

1017
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:00,880
sunset pictures i collect sunsets i have

1018
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:02,240
several books of sunsets

1019
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:05,440
we have beautiful sunsets in arizona and

1020
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:08,880
in two different months november and

1021
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:09,680
december

1022
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,119
of 2000 i actually took pictures of the

1023
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:15,599
sunset did not see these objects in

1024
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:18,960
my by visually but in the negative in

1025
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:20,560
the 35 negative

1026
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:23,200
35 millimeter negatives both in november

1027
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:24,960
and december there is the

1028
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:28,000
same cylindrical shaped object and it

1029
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:29,359
seems huge

1030
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,119
in the same exact location a month apart

1031
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:35,119
and i've had those uh pictures analyzed

1032
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:36,800
as well and what's interesting

1033
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,119
is that i also learned that these

1034
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:41,200
cylinders these giant cylinders they

1035
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,880
call the mothership cigar-shaped

1036
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,160
whatever

1037
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,880
are seen quite often above superstition

1038
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:47,920
mountain here

1039
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:51,200
and also above the navajo uh nation

1040
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:54,240
the navajo range and uh they've seen up

1041
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,280
there and i work with

1042
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:57,599
some navajo rangers up there who are law

1043
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:58,960
enforcement who actually

1044
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:01,359
study these things seriously as well um

1045
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:02,240
have shared

1046
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:04,960
that these cylindrical shaped objects

1047
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:05,520
have

1048
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:08,400
either orbs or disks coming out of them

1049
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:09,119
so

1050
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:12,000
um you know it really uh you know i

1051
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,839
don't believe in coincidence anymore i

1052
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:14,960
have to tell you there's so many

1053
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:16,640
serendipities that have happened

1054
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,960
since the mass sighting and this is one

1055
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:20,480
of them i mean i just happen to have

1056
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:21,119
pictures

1057
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:24,240
that show a similar object to what the

1058
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:25,599
american airlines

1059
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:28,640
pilots had had described and

1060
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:31,359
uh and they're actually in the fox uh

1061
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:33,520
report if anybody wants to go to

1062
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:36,640
either the my facebook page or

1063
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:39,440
go on the phoenix life network website

1064
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:40,240
now

1065
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:42,960
i i've never seen i've seen a lot of

1066
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:44,160
stuff but i've never

1067
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:48,000
seen a cylindrical

1068
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:51,200
ufo yet when you hear

1069
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:54,480
i i'm waiting uh for when i do

1070
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,280
but when you hear this described by the

1071
00:46:02,870 --> 00:45:59,680
american airlines pilots

1072
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:02,880
do you think that in any other year uh

1073
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:04,960
besides what is going on now that this

1074
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:06,000
would uh get

1075
00:46:12,109 --> 00:46:09,440
any coverage at all no i think that the

1076
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:12,119
the whole atmosphere has changed since

1077
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:14,079
2017 when the pentagon

1078
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,680
finally came forward and disclosed that

1079
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,000
they were studying ufos in the new york

1080
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:20,640
times article certainly that has really

1081
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:21,280
uh

1082
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:24,000
taken a 180 i mean we're we're instead

1083
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:24,960
of the cover-up

1084
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,400
that has been so prevalent and

1085
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,319
discrediting and so forth

1086
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:30,720
even for pilots i mean pilots as we know

1087
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:31,760
have been threatened

1088
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:34,560
for uh for their careers if they come

1089
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:36,400
forward for many decades

1090
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:39,440
um now it seems that the media

1091
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:45,670
the military as well with the navy

1092
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:48,960
pilots coming forward with the nimitz

1093
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:52,000
video are actually trying to help

1094
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:55,200
disclose help raise awareness and help

1095
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:57,280
uh really get the information out there

1096
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:58,880
in a credible way don't you think

1097
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,520
i i feel the same way i've i've been

1098
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:03,359
pretty excited about

1099
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:06,480
uh the ability for

1100
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:11,040
not only myself but you and others uh to

1101
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:14,079
have the freedom of speaking freely

1102
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:16,240
can i say freedom and freely twice in

1103
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:17,920
the same sentence

1104
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:21,359
is is that correct oh well well yeah

1105
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:24,160
i mean it does seem that way i mean i've

1106
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,880
certainly

1107
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:26,960
um felt some freedom here in arizona it

1108
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:28,079
should be that way all

1109
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:30,559
everywhere uh to be able to share and be

1110
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:32,079
able to take a look at the data and i

1111
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:33,520
always say just look at the data it

1112
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:34,240
speaks for this

1113
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:36,640
for itself and certainly study the data

1114
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:38,240
and that's what i've been trying to do

1115
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:41,760
uh since um i you know saw the

1116
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:43,200
the same thing that thousands of people

1117
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:45,119
saw on march 13th

1118
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:48,400
1997 but actually was actually not only

1119
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:50,240
witnessing them but documenting them

1120
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:53,119
also on 35 millimeter film and video for

1121
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:54,559
two years prior do you want me to get

1122
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:55,200
into that

1123
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,960
well uh we're going to go through the

1124
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:58,319
flow of everything

1125
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:01,839
and we're going to do the pre-march 13th

1126
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,359
uh 1997 events uh that surrounded you

1127
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:07,920
um and then we'll go through that but

1128
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:08,880
before we get

1129
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:12,640
there um did it surprise you that

1130
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:16,079
over time that

1131
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:19,760
most of the skeptics behind

1132
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:23,359
the phoenix lights have flip-flopped

1133
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:26,160
have you know they want from one side to

1134
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:26,960
the other

1135
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:29,040
and it seems that now i think the

1136
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,160
general

1137
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:32,880
uh consensus behind the phoenix lights

1138
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:33,520
is

1139
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:36,559
it it was real it's unexplained

1140
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:39,599
but the event happened and it wasn't

1141
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:40,319
flares

1142
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:42,240
and i think that's where we are at today

1143
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,319
did it surprise you to see

1144
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,960
the flow of everything just move over to

1145
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,480
the other side

1146
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:50,160
well as you as your listeners will

1147
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:51,599
appreciate and your audience will

1148
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:53,680
appreciate as i tell the story as it

1149
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:54,480
unfolded

1150
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:57,760
actually so did the evolution of

1151
00:49:01,430 --> 00:49:00,880
um of people accepting what happened

1152
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:01,440
here

1153
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:05,359
and so many witnesses

1154
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:08,960
um that that describe what they describe

1155
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:11,839
is so detailed and so heartfelt that you

1156
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,280
can't just brush it off

1157
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:15,440
and certainly having the 35 millimeter

1158
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,880
and also the video

1159
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:18,960
that i have my video has become the

1160
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:20,240
signature video

1161
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:23,680
mine is actually

1162
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:25,599
uh over class b restricted airspace

1163
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:26,720
we'll get into that

1164
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,480
um so it can't be denied or explained

1165
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:32,160
and you know we'll get into a lot more i

1166
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:32,800
don't want to

1167
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:35,839
audience but

1168
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:39,040
um as the story unfolded so did

1169
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:43,040
the um uh people coming on board

1170
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:44,559
and it actually looked at the data i

1171
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:46,000
know when people have not looked at the

1172
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:47,920
data we still i still have people by the

1173
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,480
way

1174
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,720
that are you know what everybody comes

1175
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:51,839
from a different background from a

1176
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:53,040
different upbringing from a different

1177
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:54,000
belief system

1178
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,839
from a different world view some people

1179
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:57,520
can deal with this topic

1180
00:50:01,109 --> 00:49:59,440
and some people don't want to and that's

1181
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:01,119
okay that's okay

1182
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:03,200
if somebody has to feed into the flare

1183
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:04,480
theory

1184
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,240
to give them comfort and let me tell you

1185
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:08,400
there's still people on facebook

1186
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:10,240
that profess that they definitely were

1187
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:12,160
flares um but

1188
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:14,079
the data is there now if people actually

1189
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:15,599
want to learn and grow

1190
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:18,240
and understand what really happened here

1191
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:20,240
on march 13th 1997.

1192
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:23,920
and since now um okay what i want to do

1193
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:26,079
is kind of set up things but i do want

1194
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:27,920
to touch upon

1195
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:31,280
uh your background just for a minute or

1196
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:31,760
two

1197
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,359
and one thing that stands out for me

1198
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:37,440
which is you and i just don't believe in

1199
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,119
coincidences right we do

1200
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:41,760
everything happens for a reason but with

1201
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:42,400
you

1202
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:45,440
um one of the things that makes me smile

1203
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:49,040
is that i don't know if you had a belief

1204
00:50:53,710 --> 00:50:50,720
in the ufo subject

1205
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:53,720
going into the events of march 13th in

1206
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,280
1997

1207
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:58,079
but you did appear in the film raising

1208
00:51:02,710 --> 00:50:59,280
arizona

1209
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,720
and that your part that

1210
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:05,040
and and certainly one of the lines uh

1211
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:05,920
that happens

1212
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:09,520
in in the movie is a direct reference

1213
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:12,880
uh to ufos and contact and it's at a

1214
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:15,520
it's a press conference i believe but

1215
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:16,000
that

1216
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:20,319
the universe

1217
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:24,079
letting you know about your future

1218
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:25,520
i have to tell you jimmy it makes me

1219
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,319
smile too because it is so

1220
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:30,480
it's almost absurd because it was 10

1221
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:31,359
years

1222
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:35,040
87

1223
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:38,160
before the arizona mass sighting and

1224
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,680
what's really ironic

1225
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,280
is not only did i have no interest or

1226
00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:42,960
knowledge in this topic at all

1227
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:45,280
before i saw something up close and

1228
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:46,800
personal that i still cannot

1229
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:50,720
explain or deny but what's amazing in

1230
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:50,960
the

1231
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,880
hit movie raising arizona uh it's become

1232
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:58,319
iconic and it's amazing

1233
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:00,880
as well that the the uh that it starred

1234
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:02,640
nicolas cage and holly hunter and

1235
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:04,160
francis mcdormand and

1236
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:07,839
um uh just a whole host of other

1237
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:10,720
amazing amazing uh john goodman and

1238
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:11,359
others

1239
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:13,119
that that we're just getting started and

1240
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:14,640
actually

1241
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:16,319
nicholas cage and holly hunter for those

1242
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:19,520
who haven't seen it it's a black comedy

1243
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:22,240
cannot conceive so they decide to kidnap

1244
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:22,960
one of the

1245
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:24,800
uh arizona quintuplets they had

1246
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:26,960
quintuplets and they could miss one

1247
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:29,040
and um they have a press conference

1248
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:30,000
right after

1249
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:31,920
and one of the reporters sticks a

1250
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,240
microphone in my husband's face and says

1251
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:36,720
there's a rumor that your son was

1252
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:38,960
abducted by ufos is there any truth to

1253
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:39,680
that

1254
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:41,599
and my husband says oh please son please

1255
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:43,200
please don't print that if his mama

1256
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:45,440
reads that she'll lose all hope

1257
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:47,200
and i have to say not only is it totally

1258
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:48,800
opposite from my own

1259
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:51,440
take on the whole thing but um there is

1260
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:52,480
no other reference

1261
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:55,599
in the entire movie to ufos except that

1262
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:58,640
one sentence plus plus what makes it

1263
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:00,319
even more ironic is that the

1264
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:02,000
cinematographer who was also just

1265
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,200
getting started

1266
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:05,119
went on to do big and when harry met

1267
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:06,559
sally and um

1268
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:09,280
how the west was one with will smith and

1269
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:10,400
the adams family

1270
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:14,240
and also created and filmed the the men

1271
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:15,760
in black series

1272
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:18,960
which opened in 1997 the same year as

1273
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:20,480
the phoenix flights

1274
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:22,000
so if you don't believe in coincidence

1275
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:23,760
yes right right

1276
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:28,000
right and uh so aside from it i guess i

1277
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:30,079
guess the point that i'm trying to make

1278
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:33,359
is that aside from that little brush uh

1279
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:33,680
with

1280
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:36,960
aliens in raising arizona

1281
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:41,119
you had zero experience or interest in

1282
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:44,240
any of this leading up to uh

1283
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:47,520
march 13th right not none

1284
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:49,599
no interest no knowledge actually i was

1285
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:51,119
so busy bringing up two

1286
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:54,000
two young kids to be caring productive

1287
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:55,760
adults as well as my company health

1288
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:57,359
education learning programs

1289
00:54:00,790 --> 00:53:59,440
um i just didn't have time for it or

1290
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:00,800
interest and

1291
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:03,520
until both my husband and i he's also a

1292
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:05,119
physician and a healthy skeptic i have

1293
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:06,559
to say we're both healthy skeptics you

1294
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:08,400
must be open when you're a physician to

1295
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:09,599
anything coming through the door

1296
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:10,960
certainly

1297
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:13,920
but until 1995 neither of us had any

1298
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:15,760
interest in the topic the only

1299
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:17,760
movies that our kids obviously had seen

1300
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:20,640
growing up were close encounters in e.t

1301
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:23,200
and the original series i have to say of

1302
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:24,079
star trek because

1303
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:27,119
the messages were were so um terrific

1304
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:27,760
but

1305
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:30,160
um here i was and that's another little

1306
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:30,960
coincidence

1307
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:34,400
uh jimmy the night before my birthday i

1308
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:35,520
just celebrated my

1309
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:38,079
my birthday in february 7th on february

1310
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:40,319
6 1995

1311
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:42,640
i'm taking a leisurely bath in in

1312
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:44,559
another room from our bedroom and we

1313
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:45,839
live pretty high

1314
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:48,000
on a mountain if anybody's been to to

1315
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:49,839
phoenix there's actually

1316
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:51,760
they call it the valley of the sun and

1317
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:53,200
it's surrounded by

1318
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:56,160
mountain ranges all around and if you go

1319
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:57,359
on the foot on the

1320
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:59,040
photo page on the phoenix flights

1321
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:01,359
network website the first

1322
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:04,319
picture is a topography and you'll see

1323
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:06,160
from our vantage point we're pretty high

1324
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:08,000
on the mountain and one

1325
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:10,640
wall of our bedroom is a window so we

1326
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:12,160
have a panoramic view of the city

1327
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:13,839
skyline and everything that pops up out

1328
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:15,680
there planes helicopters streetlights

1329
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,440
quality whatever we get to see

1330
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:19,359
and something unusual pops up we also

1331
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:21,359
get to see that if we're in the bedroom

1332
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:23,760
at any rate i'm i'm in the bath and my

1333
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:24,960
husband happened to be

1334
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:26,640
on the phone with my mother-in-law from

1335
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:28,000
back east

1336
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:31,040
born and raised in philadelphia um and

1337
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:33,520
to call me to wish me a happy birthday

1338
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:35,520
and he was on several state and and

1339
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:36,960
hospital medical boards

1340
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:39,359
nothing ever ruffled his feathers and he

1341
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:40,640
sounded alarmed he says

1342
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,079
what the hell does that get over here

1343
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:44,240
quick and i grab my tail

1344
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:46,880
run to the window dripping wet and a

1345
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:48,880
little below us and keep in mind we're

1346
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:52,319
nestled in a mountain range it's a gated

1347
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:55,440
property it's a no-fly zone and a little

1348
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:57,359
below us over very treacherous

1349
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:00,480
desert landscape we're three oval

1350
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:03,920
orbs now in a pyramid formation

1351
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:06,480
and my first reaction producing video

1352
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,680
work curriculums

1353
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:10,079
for for the public in schools was to

1354
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:11,359
grab my video camera but it was

1355
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:12,880
downstairs and and i didn't want to miss

1356
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:14,160
anything and i'm sure

1357
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:16,720
you've you've heard it uh jimmy and and

1358
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:18,160
those out there that have had a

1359
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:19,599
paranormal experience you don't want to

1360
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:20,799
move you don't know how long it's going

1361
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:21,920
to last

1362
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,680
and i tried to take everything in

1363
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:25,440
mentally the size the shape

1364
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:27,599
the the color they were about three to

1365
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:29,280
six feet each depending on how

1366
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:31,839
close they were they were about 50 75

1367
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:34,400
feet off the desert landscape

1368
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:37,280
they were absolutely oval shaped which

1369
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:38,079
by the way i

1370
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,960
i heard your little comment about the uh

1371
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:42,559
the tic tac

1372
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,839
video and when i heard the uh navy

1373
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:47,359
pilots describe

1374
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:50,319
what they saw as oval or like a lozenge

1375
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:50,960
shape

1376
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:53,200
um i don't know it just hit home because

1377
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:54,000
these things

1378
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:56,079
were oval shaped that's all i could say

1379
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:57,280
um and i called them an

1380
00:57:01,510 --> 00:57:00,240
orb because the light did not extend

1381
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:01,520
outside the edge

1382
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:03,839
it was self-contained and a uniform

1383
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:05,119
amber color

1384
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:07,440
very soothing very mesmerizing did not

1385
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,240
glare

1386
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:10,000
at all every other light out there

1387
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:12,000
glared these did not it was

1388
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:14,000
so unusual and i thought if i don't get

1389
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:15,359
a picture of this nobody's going to

1390
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:16,720
believe it and i go running to the

1391
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:18,640
closet to grab my 35 millimeter that i

1392
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:20,000
take the sunsets with

1393
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:21,680
and my husband calls me back he says get

1394
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:22,720
over here quick one of them is

1395
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:23,920
disappearing

1396
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:27,040
and as we watch the top orb

1397
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:30,079
without budging started to and

1398
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:31,839
it's really hard to to describe in

1399
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:34,960
logical terms started to shrink

1400
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:37,520
mechanically very very slowly like a

1401
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:38,319
almost like a

1402
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:40,400
dimmer switch like there was an

1403
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:42,000
intelligence behind it

1404
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:43,680
and the only thing i can liken it to

1405
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:45,839
having watched star trek

1406
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:48,000
um was the romulan cloaking device you

1407
00:57:50,549 --> 00:57:49,359
know when the romulan cloaking device

1408
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:50,559
kind of wavers

1409
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:54,000
before it cloaked well it didn't do that

1410
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:56,319
i noted that it did not do that but it

1411
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:57,760
felt like it was cloaking

1412
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:59,839
it didn't budge from the other two that

1413
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:00,799
were below it

1414
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:02,640
but it just seemed like it was cloaking

1415
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,559
and after it disappeared

1416
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:06,720
it still felt like it was there where

1417
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:07,599
did it go

1418
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:10,000
okay so i jump out on the balcony i get

1419
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:12,319
a picture of the two lower orbs and

1420
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:12,640
they're

1421
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:15,440
on the phoenix lights network photo page

1422
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:16,079
and

1423
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:19,119
noticed immediately in an eerie silence

1424
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:21,200
as if time had stopped it was just

1425
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:22,319
bizarre

1426
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:24,559
and as intently as i was watching these

1427
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:26,640
two lower orbs and i did not share this

1428
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,440
with a soul

1429
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:29,520
until two years later after the mass

1430
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:31,680
sighting with one of the investigators

1431
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:34,480
it felt like something was watching me

1432
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:36,160
and going through my mind i mean it was

1433
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:37,680
so absurd i was thinking

1434
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:39,280
who are you what are you do you know

1435
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:41,680
that i'm here i'd love to meet you

1436
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:44,240
the next thing i remember the left

1437
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:47,599
bottom orb started to shrink

1438
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:50,000
very very slowly just like the top one

1439
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:51,359
did and something told me to take a

1440
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:52,720
picture and i snapped the picture real

1441
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:53,359
quick

1442
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:54,960
that was the only one that turned out at

1443
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:57,440
the time and if you look at that picture

1444
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:59,440
it was really miraculous because i had a

1445
00:59:02,230 --> 00:58:59,839
cheap

1446
00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:02,240
canon ensematic camera i was using and

1447
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:04,240
here i caught one of the orbs the left

1448
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:06,559
bottom orb half disappeared

1449
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:09,119
and the right orb still there but i

1450
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:10,559
didn't even know who to show it to

1451
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:13,119
i knew no one who was into the topic and

1452
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:15,200
i i just wondered for two years what

1453
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:17,040
this advanced technology was i mean i

1454
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:18,799
considered myself pretty educated

1455
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:21,440
i knew nothing about this topic and i

1456
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:22,559
just want to go

1457
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:26,240
on two things um

1458
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:28,880
the first picture on the photo page is

1459
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:30,160
the topography and from

1460
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:33,040
our vantage point you can see the

1461
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:34,960
airport and right behind the airport

1462
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:37,520
is south mountain on the left and a few

1463
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:38,400
miles back

1464
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:40,480
are the estrella mountain range and this

1465
00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:42,160
is another serendipity

1466
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:44,079
um that i that i want to share with your

1467
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:46,000
audience because six months

1468
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:49,040
before the mass sighting i was invited

1469
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:50,880
to present my substance abuse prevention

1470
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,960
education program at their one school

1471
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:54,240
that they had there

1472
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:55,839
and they don't talk to outsiders but i

1473
00:59:59,910 --> 00:59:57,839
got friendly with the principal and and

1474
01:00:01,990 --> 00:59:59,920
helped him out and after the mass

1475
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:02,000
sighting it seemed that if you look on

1476
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:03,839
the photo page again i say look at the

1477
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:06,079
data it speaks for itself

1478
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,640
these phenomena keep popping up right

1479
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:10,319
where south mountain and the australians

1480
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:11,760
intersect and their

1481
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:14,240
very sacred ground is in the basin in

1482
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,880
between

1483
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:16,799
south mountain and the estrella mountain

1484
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:18,720
range so i called him up

1485
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:20,319
and i said did anybody happen to see

1486
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:22,160
strange lights on march 13th and he

1487
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:23,359
started to giggle

1488
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:25,359
and i said is that funny and he said are

1489
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:26,640
you kidding we've been looking up at the

1490
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:28,319
first centuries we call them

1491
01:00:32,549 --> 01:00:30,640
sky people light beings it's part of

1492
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:32,559
their culture i had no idea

1493
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:34,240
i didn't know that this at all i mean i

1494
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:36,559
found out since that that

1495
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:39,040
not only indigenous cultures worldwide

1496
01:00:42,150 --> 01:00:41,119
not only believe in other intelligences

1497
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:42,160
out there but they believe they're

1498
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:44,079
visiting here the hopi have

1499
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:47,040
protocols to invite them in and some of

1500
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:48,720
them feel that these orbs

1501
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:51,280
are actually spirit world or ancestors

1502
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:52,880
coming to give them knowledge and

1503
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:54,880
comfort and

1504
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:56,720
inspiration and i have to admit i've

1505
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:58,559
personally been inspired to do this as

1506
01:01:00,390 --> 01:00:59,839
you can tell i'm a little passionate

1507
01:01:02,549 --> 01:01:00,400
about it

1508
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:02,559
well let me let me let me jump in right

1509
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:04,559
here i've got to take a commercial break

1510
01:01:07,829 --> 01:01:07,119
we will pick up right here when we come

1511
01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:07,839
back

1512
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:11,359
our guest tonight dr lynn kitai it is

1513
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:14,400
this week the 24th anniversary

1514
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:16,079
of the phoenix lights and we're going to

1515
01:01:20,589 --> 01:01:17,760
go through everything

1516
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:20,599
i want you to go to her website the

1517
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:22,079
phoenixlights.net

1518
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:22,880
the links are over at

1519
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:24,880
jimmychurchradio.com go to the photos

1520
01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:25,599
page

1521
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:28,400
and you will be able to see the images

1522
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,760
that we are discussing

1523
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:31,920
right now this is fade to black i'm

1524
01:01:38,100 --> 01:01:34,079
yours jimmy church more with dr lynn

1525
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:38,110
after this short break stay with us

1526
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:40,410
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1649
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:47,280
welcome back fade to black i am your

1650
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:48,880
host jimmy church this week

1651
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:52,319
is the 24th anniversary of the phoenix

1652
01:06:56,789 --> 01:06:53,760
lights our guest tonight dr

1653
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:56,799
lynn kitai and we're going over

1654
01:07:01,750 --> 01:06:59,359
everything i want uh all of you to go to

1655
01:07:03,230 --> 01:07:01,760
the phoenixlights.net

1656
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:03,240
uh the links are over at

1657
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:04,960
jimmychurchradio.com but go to the

1658
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:06,319
photos page

1659
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:08,720
and you will see some of the references

1660
01:07:13,990 --> 01:07:10,480
that we are talking about

1661
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:14,000
right now and and dr lin um

1662
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:17,920
these images which i uh

1663
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:19,440
some of them are just absolutely

1664
01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:22,160
incredible but not all of them were

1665
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:23,039
before

1666
01:07:31,109 --> 01:07:27,359
march 13th uh 1997. a bunch of these

1667
01:07:33,430 --> 01:07:31,119
are after uh 1997.

1668
01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:33,440
aren't they they are and i've continued

1669
01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:34,319
to take them and i

1670
01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:36,000
we left off at a really good point

1671
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:38,319
because if you're on that page

1672
01:07:42,789 --> 01:07:40,319
and you look at the first picture which

1673
01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:42,799
is a topography i put a

1674
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:46,640
a car on the road in the picture

1675
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:49,920
specifically to show everyone that car

1676
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:51,200
lights reflect

1677
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:54,160
out as you can see in the picture the

1678
01:07:58,870 --> 01:07:56,000
unknowns the true unknowns

1679
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:58,880
do not the the light is self-contained

1680
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:01,680
also to the right of that car

1681
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:04,319
are skylights on the top on the top of a

1682
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:05,039
of a home

1683
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:06,559
down the street yep and what's

1684
01:08:10,870 --> 01:08:08,480
significant about that

1685
01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:10,880
and will help the the audience

1686
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:11,920
understand that

1687
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:14,160
in at night and if you look in the

1688
01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:16,400
distance that's exactly where

1689
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:19,120
um if you just go straight back uh where

1690
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:20,480
south mountain and the estrellas

1691
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:21,279
intersect

1692
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:23,359
and i was just uh you know relaying

1693
01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:24,480
about the principle

1694
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:26,239
saying that um they were actually

1695
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:27,839
looking up by the way

1696
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:30,719
at the phenomena on march 13th 1997 and

1697
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:32,560
have for centuries there's petroglyphs

1698
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:34,080
in the mountains there that are almost

1699
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:34,960
identical

1700
01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:36,880
but he also said that the estrella

1701
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:38,000
mountains that's how it's got

1702
01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:40,960
its name that the designers of the time

1703
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:43,120
either saw these same phenomena or heard

1704
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:43,920
the lore

1705
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:45,600
and named the mountains the estrella

1706
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:47,520
mountain range gateway to the stars

1707
01:08:52,630 --> 01:08:50,239
australia means star in spanish plus

1708
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:52,640
they feel that there's a portal or a

1709
01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:53,520
gateway

1710
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:56,159
in that area and again if i just deal

1711
01:08:58,229 --> 01:08:56,960
with the data

1712
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:58,239
if you look at the data people can

1713
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:00,000
decide for themselves

1714
01:09:03,749 --> 01:09:02,799
consistently these anomalous aerial

1715
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:03,759
phenomena

1716
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:06,880
keep popping up in that same area now i

1717
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:08,480
didn't see anything

1718
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:10,000
for for two years and if you want to go

1719
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:11,600
to the second and the third picture of

1720
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:11,920
the

1721
01:09:15,749 --> 01:09:13,839
1995 sighting i'm just going to

1722
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:15,759
interject this one little thought while

1723
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:16,799
we're there

1724
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:20,239
is a year after the mass sighting

1725
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:23,600
we had another sighting and um i

1726
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:25,359
actually alerted some people that it

1727
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:26,159
through a fog

1728
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:29,120
i saw some lights that were similar and

1729
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:29,839
uh

1730
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:31,759
and and we actually had four people

1731
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:34,000
north south east and west that

1732
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:36,319
coincidentally enough had taken video

1733
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:38,239
during the mass lighting as well

1734
01:09:42,550 --> 01:09:40,239
and uh they were on the ready and we got

1735
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:42,560
a 20-minute array of of

1736
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:44,880
40 mile wide straight lines and mirror

1737
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:46,560
images and one of the pictures actually

1738
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:47,759
on that page is the

1739
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:50,880
the the uh climax of a of a

1740
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:53,279
giant pyramid in the same location if

1741
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:54,480
you look you'll see

1742
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:56,080
that those skylights are in the same

1743
01:10:00,070 --> 01:09:57,520
place in the same location

1744
01:10:01,590 --> 01:10:00,080
but at any rate um i had been told

1745
01:10:03,110 --> 01:10:01,600
actually you mentioned linda molten how

1746
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:03,120
i had met with her i met with very few

1747
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:05,360
people very few people knew what i had

1748
01:10:08,950 --> 01:10:07,280
but i had met with linda and she had

1749
01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:08,960
recommended that i get in touch with dr

1750
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:10,159
bruce mcabee

1751
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:12,560
who i did after this sighting and i said

1752
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:14,159
look i have video from four different

1753
01:10:16,229 --> 01:10:15,760
locations i'd like you to look at it and

1754
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:16,239
as an

1755
01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:18,719
afterthought i sent the first and the

1756
01:10:22,149 --> 01:10:20,400
last picture because by then i had gone

1757
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:22,159
back to the strips and discovered i had

1758
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:23,040
additional

1759
01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:26,239
photographs from 95 and asked him to

1760
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:27,840
please tell me what those

1761
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:30,880
unknown things were those those oval

1762
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:32,159
shaped orbs were

1763
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:33,679
and he called me back a couple weeks

1764
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:35,920
later and he says um

1765
01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:38,480
dr lin you told me that uh your sighting

1766
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:40,159
was like a couple minutes

1767
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:42,320
long in 95. i said right he says are you

1768
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:44,400
sure i said that's what i remember he

1769
01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:46,800
said ask your husband now interestingly

1770
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:48,640
my husband was inside when i was taking

1771
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:50,560
the pictures i was outside

1772
01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:52,080
okay and what i shared with you is what

1773
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:55,360
i remember of that sighting

1774
01:10:59,350 --> 01:10:57,520
he says to me you've got to confirm with

1775
01:11:00,790 --> 01:10:59,360
him he didn't want to talk about it like

1776
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:00,800
i said everybody comes from a different

1777
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:02,719
background and a different reaction

1778
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:05,040
he got agitated which really i couldn't

1779
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:06,960
relate to because to me it was wondrous

1780
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:21,510
it was three years later what do you

1781
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:23,280
remember of that closed sighting

1782
01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:24,880
time wise he said i don't know two three

1783
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:27,199
four minutes tops i went back to dr

1784
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:27,679
matthew

1785
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:29,440
mcabee and he said that's impossible i

1786
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:30,800
said what do you mean and if you look at

1787
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:32,080
the pictures and he was the first to

1788
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:33,280
discover it

1789
01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:35,760
this say and this is important data the

1790
01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:36,320
same

1791
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:38,800
exact phenomena if you look at the arrow

1792
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:40,880
of lights in the distance

1793
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:42,400
they're pointing in the first picture to

1794
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:44,400
four lights in the second picture to two

1795
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:44,880
lights

1796
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:48,239
yep the same exact phenomena thing to

1797
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:48,719
that

1798
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:51,280
two months before the mass sighting

1799
01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:52,800
head-on turning into a v

1800
01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:54,239
and during the mass sighting the

1801
01:11:59,910 --> 01:11:56,320
signature video is there

1802
01:12:02,070 --> 01:11:59,920
in 95 they're there in 95

1803
01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:02,080
disappearing while the closed orbs that

1804
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:04,000
we were so concentrated on even notice

1805
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:04,800
those

1806
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:07,280
uh were also disappearing so he says to

1807
01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:08,800
me that's significant but

1808
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:11,360
he said the most important data and he

1809
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:13,679
was so meticulous his 21-page report is

1810
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:16,000
on our website if anybody cares to read

1811
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:16,800
it

1812
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:19,120
he said look at the skyline there are

1813
01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:20,400
many lights on and i don't know if you

1814
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:21,120
know this

1815
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:23,520
story jimmy but there are many lights on

1816
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:24,719
in the first picture

1817
01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:27,360
groups of lights that are off in the

1818
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:28,880
last picture he said that doesn't happen

1819
01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:30,080
in a couple minutes he says i want you

1820
01:12:33,430 --> 01:12:31,840
to do an experiment again he was very

1821
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:33,440
meticulous in this study

1822
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:36,080
he says go out on the balcony try to

1823
01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:38,239
stand where you were standing in 95

1824
01:12:41,669 --> 01:12:40,000
and take a picture of the skyline one

1825
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:41,679
night every hour one night every half

1826
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:42,159
hour

1827
01:12:45,910 --> 01:12:43,920
i actually did it another night every 15

1828
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:45,920
minutes to find out when the groups of

1829
01:12:50,070 --> 01:12:47,280
lights were going out

1830
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:50,080
now i usually take a bath when we're

1831
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,360
home between seven and eight in the

1832
01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:53,440
evening so let's be conservative and say

1833
01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:55,679
starting point is eight o'clock the

1834
01:13:01,910 --> 01:12:58,400
light started going out at nine o'clock

1835
01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:01,920
the last picture is indicative of 10 30

1836
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:05,120
11 o'clock he says to me i may i present

1837
01:13:09,830 --> 01:13:05,760
this case

1838
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:09,840
at the upcoming 1999 mufon mutual ufo

1839
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:10,560
network

1840
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:13,440
international symposium in washington dc

1841
01:13:16,390 --> 01:13:15,600
i said hey dr mcafee this is your baby i

1842
01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:16,400
would have never

1843
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:19,120
ever noticed this data just keep my name

1844
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:20,080
out of it please

1845
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:21,840
and and i was so grateful for the

1846
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:23,600
handful of people that knew who i was

1847
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:24,960
and what i had

1848
01:13:28,149 --> 01:13:27,120
that he was kind enough to do that he

1849
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:28,159
presented the case

1850
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:30,480
in 1999 and i didn't even share it with

1851
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:32,400
a soul until the second edition of the

1852
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:34,800
book in in 2010

1853
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:37,840
they the first if not only that we know

1854
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:38,239
of

1855
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:43,760
missing time

1856
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:46,960
now i am i am

1857
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:50,400
posting up for everybody here

1858
01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:53,840
um these uh

1859
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:58,080
one two three four images

1860
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:01,199
of what went down

1861
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:05,040
in january of 1997.

1862
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:07,440
okay we're getting to that yeah no i'm

1863
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:09,199
doing this in advance i'm just letting

1864
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:10,320
everybody know what

1865
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:13,679
what i am posting now um and remember

1866
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:14,159
that

1867
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:17,440
uh this is four months before two months

1868
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:20,800
two months before uh january 1997

1869
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:23,120
january february march yeah two months

1870
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:23,920
before i

1871
01:14:28,709 --> 01:14:25,920
i just posted four months everybody else

1872
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:28,719
can do the math um but

1873
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:32,080
um this the it's

1874
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:35,280
so similar um

1875
01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:38,400
uh in january

1876
01:14:42,070 --> 01:14:41,199
of 97 it's pretty extraordinary and i

1877
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:42,080
want everybody

1878
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:46,320
else uh dr lynn if you don't mind

1879
01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:48,320
the first image that she posted there

1880
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:50,080
the daylight images

1881
01:14:56,550 --> 01:14:53,440
of her view off of

1882
01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:56,560
from her home overlooking the valley now

1883
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:57,360
you're that's

1884
01:15:01,590 --> 01:15:00,239
phoenix in front of you that's uh the

1885
01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:01,600
airport the 10

1886
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:04,400
freeway is passing straight through the

1887
01:15:09,350 --> 01:15:05,920
center of phoenix

1888
01:15:11,669 --> 01:15:09,360
and all of that is in um and if you're

1889
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:11,679
if you've ever been to phoenix you know

1890
01:15:16,470 --> 01:15:12,800
the mountain

1891
01:15:20,070 --> 01:15:16,480
that uh dr lin and her husband

1892
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:20,080
live on that that has this panoramic

1893
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:23,280
view of phoenix down in front of you

1894
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:25,360
and it's pretty extraordinary up there

1895
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:27,120
from any of those homes

1896
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:30,960
because you can see everything

1897
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:33,600
from the east to the west from your

1898
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:34,560
vantage point

1899
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:38,480
correct we can we can see a lot

1900
01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:39,840
we're kind of nestled in the mountains

1901
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:41,679
so we lose some of the some of the view

1902
01:15:46,630 --> 01:15:43,920
but we do have a city skyline view

1903
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:46,640
and we have the airport view so you know

1904
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:48,080
anything that pops up out there we

1905
01:15:50,550 --> 01:15:48,960
certainly

1906
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:50,560
get to see and i have to say for two

1907
01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:53,280
years after the closed sighting i saw

1908
01:15:59,669 --> 01:15:54,080
nothing

1909
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:59,679
and back to your point about uh missing

1910
01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:00,320
time

1911
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:02,800
with dr mcabee so let's let's go back to

1912
01:16:11,189 --> 01:16:07,840
that point that he was making

1913
01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:11,199
well we we shot right past it okay so

1914
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:12,960
uh the missing i wanted to put that out

1915
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:14,320
there because it is data

1916
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:17,040
and we i really haven't you know the

1917
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:20,480
reason that i shared it finally in 2010

1918
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:22,880
was because first of all by then i had

1919
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:24,320
realized that people were

1920
01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:26,480
really looking at the data and and

1921
01:16:29,990 --> 01:16:28,000
taking it seriously

1922
01:16:31,590 --> 01:16:30,000
and i don't know if it's if it's

1923
01:16:33,430 --> 01:16:31,600
meaningful i hope that it's meaningful

1924
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:33,440
that it can maybe open the door a little

1925
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:34,320
bit to

1926
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:37,360
realize that time as we know it is

1927
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:38,880
primitive

1928
01:16:42,310 --> 01:16:40,800
past present and future is not really

1929
01:16:45,430 --> 01:16:42,320
what time is

1930
01:16:47,189 --> 01:16:45,440
and you know if the data is important

1931
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:47,199
which it may be very important

1932
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:50,880
to get to the next step in in our um

1933
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:53,600
awareness of of not only time but that

1934
01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:54,159
they're

1935
01:16:58,790 --> 01:16:56,800
you know also we know from from quantum

1936
01:17:00,790 --> 01:16:58,800
physics and quantum mechanics that

1937
01:17:01,990 --> 01:17:00,800
uh string theory or whatever or bubble

1938
01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:02,000
theories that that they

1939
01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:04,320
are postulating 10 or 11 different

1940
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:06,320
dimensions at least

1941
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:08,400
and you know you got to look at that

1942
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:10,560
data and say wow if there's other times

1943
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:11,760
and spaces

1944
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:14,320
along with ours then why is it such a

1945
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:15,040
leap

1946
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:16,400
to think that there might be other

1947
01:17:20,950 --> 01:17:18,880
intelligent entities

1948
01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:20,960
in those other times and spaces that we

1949
01:17:25,590 --> 01:17:22,400
get glimpses of

1950
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:25,600
if we're open to them or invited now

1951
01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:29,199
um let's talk about what you saw

1952
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:34,000
in in january did did that seem to be

1953
01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:37,360
a structured craft

1954
01:17:43,590 --> 01:17:40,800
now what i what i saw were

1955
01:17:44,790 --> 01:17:43,600
lights that were either in a solid

1956
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:44,800
equidistantly

1957
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:48,320
equidistant uh line or or whatever their

1958
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:51,920
formation was that seem to be attached

1959
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:53,760
to something or at a force field in

1960
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:54,560
between

1961
01:17:57,830 --> 01:17:56,320
i never saw a craft but we'll get to

1962
01:17:59,430 --> 01:17:57,840
that because a lot of people did and

1963
01:18:01,189 --> 01:17:59,440
there were more than one craft there was

1964
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:01,199
ten crafts i will get to that

1965
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:04,400
but in january 22nd of 97

1966
01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:07,360
after not seeing anything remotely close

1967
01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:08,000
to those

1968
01:18:11,669 --> 01:18:10,560
orbs that we saw up close and mind you i

1969
01:18:12,070 --> 01:18:11,679
didn't even know the ones were in the

1970
01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:12,080
distance

1971
01:18:18,950 --> 01:18:16,000
at the time i see three distant

1972
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:18,960
huge amber orbs in a line now

1973
01:18:23,189 --> 01:18:20,880
equidistant from each other

1974
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:23,199
and far west and i'm watching them from

1975
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:24,239
my bed and

1976
01:18:28,149 --> 01:18:26,560
i'm thinking wait a minute they're amber

1977
01:18:30,950 --> 01:18:28,159
they're in a line formation

1978
01:18:31,590 --> 01:18:30,960
equidistant from each other hovering for

1979
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:31,600
minutes

1980
01:18:36,070 --> 01:18:34,480
strangely similar to 95 and i happen to

1981
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:36,080
mention it to my husband and

1982
01:18:39,990 --> 01:18:37,600
you know he makes a joke out of it do i

1983
01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:40,000
still have to go to work tomorrow

1984
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:41,280
he didn't really want to hear about it

1985
01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:43,120
but the next night he was at a medical

1986
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:44,480
board meeting

1987
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:47,120
and i was in the bedroom and i noticed

1988
01:18:50,149 --> 01:18:48,560
out of the siding glass doors is

1989
01:18:54,630 --> 01:18:50,159
perpendicular to that

1990
01:18:57,750 --> 01:18:54,640
big window the same three giant orbs

1991
01:19:00,790 --> 01:18:57,760
at a distance were in a line formation

1992
01:19:02,550 --> 01:19:00,800
now near the airport and i and i and

1993
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:02,560
they were actually lower

1994
01:19:06,550 --> 01:19:04,560
than the red blinking lights that are on

1995
01:19:08,630 --> 01:19:06,560
south mountain to alert planes coming

1996
01:19:10,390 --> 01:19:08,640
into the airport so i thought okay

1997
01:19:12,229 --> 01:19:10,400
enough i'm getting my video camera and i

1998
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:12,239
ran downstairs it was fully charged by

1999
01:19:15,189 --> 01:19:13,520
the way i go out

2000
01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:15,199
in the front of the home and i get about

2001
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:18,400
18 seconds worth the battery goes dead

2002
01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:20,480
it's about 8 o'clock i go inside i hook

2003
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:21,679
up the battery i go in

2004
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:24,719
outside they're gone about 8 30

2005
01:19:28,390 --> 01:19:26,400
he comes up to drive and we're pretty

2006
01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:28,400
high on the mountain he comes up here

2007
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:30,000
and i went outside and i said honey

2008
01:19:34,470 --> 01:19:32,159
remember i told you about the three

2009
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:34,480
huge amber orbs and then in line

2010
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:36,000
formation last night far west

2011
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:38,400
well about a half an hour ago they were

2012
01:19:41,910 --> 01:19:40,400
right in front of south mountain as i'm

2013
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:41,920
pointing with my hand

2014
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:45,520
they reappeared in the same spot okay

2015
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:47,520
so i thought whoa i got to get a picture

2016
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:48,960
and again i don't believe in coincidence

2017
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:50,400
anymore because in video

2018
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:52,640
by the way it doesn't do the lights

2019
01:19:55,030 --> 01:19:54,640
justice they're much smaller they're

2020
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:55,040
white

2021
01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:57,760
they flicker if you actually study them

2022
01:20:00,070 --> 01:19:59,280
and you see the formations they're very

2023
01:20:01,590 --> 01:20:00,080
compelling

2024
01:20:04,470 --> 01:20:01,600
but they could be blown off as other

2025
01:20:07,270 --> 01:20:04,480
things but in in 35 millimeter

2026
01:20:08,550 --> 01:20:07,280
it's in the negative and cannot be

2027
01:20:10,390 --> 01:20:08,560
denied until

2028
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:10,400
to this day be explained anyway i run

2029
01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:12,719
upstairs i grab my 35 millimeter as i

2030
01:20:15,590 --> 01:20:14,400
get out on the balcony ready to shoot

2031
01:20:18,149 --> 01:20:15,600
the three

2032
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:18,159
suddenly six lights across totally

2033
01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:19,679
equidistant from each other

2034
01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:22,719
massive span over a mile wide appears

2035
01:20:27,110 --> 01:20:24,239
above the three

2036
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:27,120
the first picture there is wavy because

2037
01:20:31,350 --> 01:20:28,880
i was shaking

2038
01:20:32,310 --> 01:20:31,360
not having an explanation for the 95

2039
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:32,320
sighting

2040
01:20:37,030 --> 01:20:35,040
the first thought was oh my goodness is

2041
01:20:38,709 --> 01:20:37,040
this a mother ship or a fleet

2042
01:20:40,709 --> 01:20:38,719
but i kept clicking away and thank

2043
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:40,719
goodness i did because the second

2044
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:41,280
picture

2045
01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:44,000
is really significant because that one

2046
01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:45,520
looks like it's a v

2047
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:48,560
okay head-on with two underneath

2048
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:50,480
well during the mass sighting two months

2049
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:52,880
later thousands of people would describe

2050
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:54,000
what they saw

2051
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:57,120
as five lights in a v with two trailing

2052
01:21:00,390 --> 01:20:59,520
this is two months before the same exact

2053
01:21:02,790 --> 01:21:00,400
thing right

2054
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:02,800
and then as i continued shooting and the

2055
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:05,600
three bottom orbs continued to disappear

2056
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:09,040
the top formation was turning into a

2057
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:09,920
v-shape

2058
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:13,600
okay and it was so unnerving that i ran

2059
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:15,920
inside i called the arizona republic

2060
01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:17,600
which is the big newspaper here and i

2061
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:18,880
said you got to get somebody out there

2062
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:28,950
and by the time i finished my sentence

2063
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:31,040
they were gone did not sleep well that

2064
01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:31,520
night

2065
01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:33,760
okay the next morning i get up and i

2066
01:21:37,030 --> 01:21:34,880
figured look

2067
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:37,040
being my healthy skeptic there must be a

2068
01:21:40,470 --> 01:21:38,480
logical explanation

2069
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:40,480
i call the arizona republic again i said

2070
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:42,400
did anybody call last night to report

2071
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:43,920
strange lights in front of south

2072
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:45,360
mountain she gets off she gets right

2073
01:21:50,070 --> 01:21:47,280
back on she said nope nobody called

2074
01:21:50,629 --> 01:21:50,080
i said well i know i called so i said

2075
01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:50,639
well

2076
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:52,960
we did see something strange do you know

2077
01:21:55,750 --> 01:21:54,719
who i might contact to find out what

2078
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:55,760
they might be

2079
01:21:59,910 --> 01:21:57,840
she says well sometimes luke air force

2080
01:22:01,430 --> 01:21:59,920
base sends experimental maneuvers out

2081
01:22:02,950 --> 01:22:01,440
and they don't tell the public about it

2082
01:22:04,390 --> 01:22:02,960
that sounded reasonable but i figured

2083
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:04,400
you know i'll give them a call

2084
01:22:08,629 --> 01:22:07,040
so i call luke air force base i get a

2085
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:08,639
lieutenant on the phone and she was

2086
01:22:12,629 --> 01:22:11,199
from the get-go she had an attitude and

2087
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:12,639
she said well they didn't come into luke

2088
01:22:15,030 --> 01:22:13,679
airport space and they didn't come out

2089
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:15,040
from here so we had nothing to do with

2090
01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:15,760
it

2091
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:19,840
see something strange

2092
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:21,600
i actually got pictures of it i'd like

2093
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:23,040
to find out what it was i'm sure there's

2094
01:22:25,669 --> 01:22:24,000
a logical explanation

2095
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:25,679
he said well you said it was near the

2096
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:27,120
airport why don't you call them

2097
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:29,920
okay now it was a mission i had to call

2098
01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:32,320
the airport i got the faa on the phone

2099
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:33,840
i tried to be very professional my

2100
01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:35,280
husband and i are both physicians we

2101
01:22:38,229 --> 01:22:36,880
have a man inside in paradise valley we

2102
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:38,239
saw strange lights in front of south

2103
01:22:41,669 --> 01:22:39,840
mountain last night did anybody

2104
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:41,679
see anything there seemed to be near the

2105
01:22:44,310 --> 01:22:43,760
airport she says well actually there was

2106
01:22:47,189 --> 01:22:44,320
a group

2107
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:47,199
of air traffic controllers here last

2108
01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:47,760
night

2109
01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:49,760
and i think they did see something let

2110
01:22:52,229 --> 01:22:51,520
me ask i said oh please please if

2111
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:52,239
anybody

2112
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:54,000
saw anything please put them on the

2113
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:55,760
phone anyway

2114
01:22:59,270 --> 01:22:58,560
finally this guy gets on the phone now

2115
01:23:07,030 --> 01:22:59,280
he

2116
01:23:08,629 --> 01:23:07,040
excited

2117
01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:08,639
i think we're different from each other

2118
01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:10,560
last night at 8 30 i said yes that's why

2119
01:23:12,870 --> 01:23:11,280
i called

2120
01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:12,880
he said actually we saw three at eight

2121
01:23:17,189 --> 01:23:14,800
o'clock i said i saw them too

2122
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:17,199
he said they popped up over class the

2123
01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:18,960
restricted airspace now

2124
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:20,800
there's a 30 mile radius around the

2125
01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:22,239
center of the airport

2126
01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:23,920
anything that comes into that airspace

2127
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:25,600
particularly

2128
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:27,600
a thousand feet altitude that these were

2129
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:29,280
must call into the tower

2130
01:23:33,669 --> 01:23:31,280
and no one did so they immediately

2131
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:33,679
looked on radar didn't show up on radar

2132
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:35,280
the three disappeared when the six

2133
01:23:37,510 --> 01:23:36,880
popped up at 8 30 they really got

2134
01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:37,520
nervous

2135
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:39,440
they looked on radar did not show up on

2136
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:40,719
radar they took your

2137
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:42,560
their high-powered binoculars to look

2138
01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:44,320
and this will answer your question

2139
01:23:47,350 --> 01:23:46,080
also from what people described some

2140
01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:47,360
people described

2141
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:50,320
they described six points of light

2142
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:52,080
totally equidistant from each other

2143
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:53,040
massive span

2144
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:55,199
over a mile wide that seemed to be

2145
01:23:59,430 --> 01:23:57,280
attached to something

2146
01:24:01,350 --> 01:23:59,440
but they couldn't quite see what these

2147
01:24:01,990 --> 01:24:01,360
lights were attached to or they had a

2148
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:02,000
force field

2149
01:24:07,030 --> 01:24:05,120
holding them in rock solid formation

2150
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:07,040
and one of them was a meteorologist and

2151
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:09,040
he said the entire thing this is another

2152
01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:10,480
important point

2153
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:14,320
turned as a unit against the wind

2154
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:17,520
elevated slowly and in synchrony

2155
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:20,880
moved behind south mountain very slowly

2156
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:23,280
so i said so what was it and there was

2157
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:24,000
silence

2158
01:24:27,189 --> 01:24:25,679
and then one of them says beats me i

2159
01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:27,199
said your air traffic controllers you're

2160
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:28,960
supposed to know what's in our airspace

2161
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:30,880
they ruled out every conventional

2162
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:33,920
aircraft balloons

2163
01:24:38,629 --> 01:24:36,800
chinese lanterns even flares even

2164
01:24:39,189 --> 01:24:38,639
skydivers with light they ruled out

2165
01:24:41,350 --> 01:24:39,199
every

2166
01:24:43,590 --> 01:24:41,360
possibility to them they were true

2167
01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:43,600
unknowns and we kept in contact

2168
01:24:46,950 --> 01:24:45,360
i continued photographing these

2169
01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:46,960
phenomena they were showing up

2170
01:24:51,030 --> 01:24:49,440
usually in sets of three and i can

2171
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:51,040
continue i felt compelled

2172
01:24:55,189 --> 01:24:53,679
to to to film them in fact my husband

2173
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:55,199
was getting a little annoyed with me

2174
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:57,280
and this is how close i was to the topic

2175
01:25:02,629 --> 01:24:59,280
okay

2176
01:25:04,229 --> 01:25:02,639
video

2177
01:25:06,070 --> 01:25:04,239
and and talk to my friends and find out

2178
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:06,080
if anybody knows somebody that i can

2179
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:07,600
show this to and find out what's going

2180
01:25:11,350 --> 01:25:08,400
on

2181
01:25:12,310 --> 01:25:11,360
a friend of a friend had a neighbor who

2182
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:12,320
had a friend

2183
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:14,400
who knew the past president of mufon

2184
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:16,320
mutual ufo network who which i had never

2185
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:17,679
heard of at the time

2186
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:20,400
and i called him up and i said look

2187
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:22,000
we're seeing these strange lights now he

2188
01:25:24,550 --> 01:25:23,040
hadn't seen

2189
01:25:26,950 --> 01:25:24,560
heard about it but there were other

2190
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:26,960
people that were seeing them along with

2191
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:27,280
me

2192
01:25:30,629 --> 01:25:29,040
and photographing them in fact steve

2193
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:30,639
blonder

2194
01:25:34,390 --> 01:25:32,960
called mufon up to his balcony the night

2195
01:25:36,229 --> 01:25:34,400
of march 13th

2196
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:36,239
and they caught the arrowhead that you

2197
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:38,000
see sometimes of five lights i mean

2198
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:39,440
amazing footage

2199
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:41,360
and his footage and my footage are

2200
01:25:44,870 --> 01:25:43,199
behind before 10 o'clock that's

2201
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:44,880
significant we'll get to that but at any

2202
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:45,440
rate

2203
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:47,360
i said i also have a picture and that

2204
01:25:49,270 --> 01:25:48,560
was the only one that turned out at the

2205
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:49,280
time

2206
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:50,800
that i'd like someone of credence to

2207
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:52,800
take a look at and he refers me to a

2208
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:54,000
field investigator for

2209
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:56,880
the following wednesday who calls me up

2210
01:26:01,110 --> 01:25:58,639
on tuesday

2211
01:26:01,830 --> 01:26:01,120
to say that the then state director mom

2212
01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:01,840
had passed

2213
01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:03,280
the funeral was wednesday morning he

2214
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:04,960
wanted to be at the meeting could i

2215
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:06,000
postponed

2216
01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:07,520
i said look you know i really want

2217
01:26:10,629 --> 01:26:09,199
somebody to take a look at this i'm busy

2218
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:10,639
for another two three weeks but i do

2219
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:12,480
have a window of opportunity

2220
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:14,320
friday morning at 10 o'clock he said

2221
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:16,560
fine i knock on his door

2222
01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:18,960
friday morning he opens the door the

2223
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:20,560
first thing he says to me is did you see

2224
01:26:24,390 --> 01:26:22,560
the mass sighting last night

2225
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:24,400
i said excuse me i said i saw something

2226
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:25,600
very similar

2227
01:26:28,629 --> 01:26:27,760
to what i witnessed two months ago in

2228
01:26:30,149 --> 01:26:28,639
fact i called in

2229
01:26:31,590 --> 01:26:30,159
air traffic controllers this morning

2230
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:31,600
because it looked like the same thing

2231
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:32,880
and they confirmed

2232
01:26:36,629 --> 01:26:34,960
not only was it the same exact phenomena

2233
01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:36,639
in the same exact location

2234
01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:38,639
but there were a couple of pilots a

2235
01:26:42,310 --> 01:26:40,400
commercial pilot

2236
01:26:44,390 --> 01:26:42,320
who called in to say what the hell are

2237
01:26:45,669 --> 01:26:44,400
these lights over me when departure and

2238
01:26:48,390 --> 01:26:45,679
a private pilot

2239
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:48,400
that was on approach that saw these six

2240
01:26:50,950 --> 01:26:49,040
lights in the

2241
01:26:53,189 --> 01:26:50,960
formation i said yes that's what i saw

2242
01:26:55,750 --> 01:26:53,199
in fact by the time i got out there

2243
01:26:57,590 --> 01:26:55,760
and got my camera focused it had changed

2244
01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:57,600
i guess it turned and i got the three

2245
01:27:01,669 --> 01:26:58,960
endpoints of a giant

2246
01:27:02,950 --> 01:27:01,679
v or triangle and i have the video with

2247
01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:02,960
me in hand

2248
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:05,520
he said great because nbc was coming to

2249
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:06,719
interview him

2250
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:08,880
in a half an hour i said whoa i said

2251
01:27:11,110 --> 01:27:09,840
wait a minute

2252
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:11,120
i don't know what we're dealing with

2253
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:13,120
here is it a hoax or

2254
01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:15,440
military or whatever but it doesn't

2255
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:16,960
matter it's not about me and it's never

2256
01:27:19,990 --> 01:27:18,480
been about me

2257
01:27:22,629 --> 01:27:20,000
jimmy it's about the data and i said

2258
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:22,639
look i have video of what we saw last

2259
01:27:25,270 --> 01:27:24,239
night i don't know what it is but let

2260
01:27:27,189 --> 01:27:25,280
other people see it

2261
01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:27,199
share it with whoever i'm out of here

2262
01:27:31,830 --> 01:27:28,400
and i left

2263
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:31,840
that afternoon talk about a coincidence

2264
01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:33,280
i'm sitting in front of my tv i didn't

2265
01:27:36,390 --> 01:27:34,800
even know if they were going to cover it

2266
01:27:38,149 --> 01:27:36,400
and i'm sitting in front of my tv with

2267
01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:38,159
my vcr ready to go

2268
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:40,560
and every news station was showing my

2269
01:27:43,270 --> 01:27:41,280
video

2270
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:43,280
it was really exciting i have to tell

2271
01:27:47,510 --> 01:27:45,360
you and by the nine o'clock news

2272
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:47,520
a couple other videos the arrowhead and

2273
01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:48,880
a boomerang

2274
01:27:53,830 --> 01:27:52,000
video came forward which is outrageous

2275
01:27:55,110 --> 01:27:53,840
the the boomerang video was amazing but

2276
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:55,120
that was taken

2277
01:28:00,470 --> 01:27:57,280
after 10 o'clock excuse me two

2278
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:00,480
boomerangs were taken after 10 o'clock

2279
01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:02,719
anyway i'm learning the thousands of

2280
01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:04,320
people at that time they thought

2281
01:28:07,030 --> 01:28:05,600
hundreds but thousands of people were

2282
01:28:10,950 --> 01:28:07,040
not only seeing these orb

2283
01:28:12,790 --> 01:28:10,960
formations but also actual craft

2284
01:28:14,149 --> 01:28:12,800
and on march 13th for anybody that

2285
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:14,159
doesn't know out there

2286
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:16,639
1997 you probably don't know this data

2287
01:28:19,030 --> 01:28:17,360
because

2288
01:28:20,709 --> 01:28:19,040
we've learned so much just in the past

2289
01:28:23,669 --> 01:28:20,719
few years

2290
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:23,679
not only it was because there's so much

2291
01:28:28,629 --> 01:28:25,360
miss and disinformation out there

2292
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:28,639
not only was the mass sighting over

2293
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:31,120
a dozen hours starting at 3 p.m in the

2294
01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:32,880
afternoon

2295
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:35,520
daylight sightings in arizona five

2296
01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:36,000
o'clock

2297
01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:41,520
and for several hours in california

2298
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:44,000
the 11 10 10 to 11 o'clock hour there

2299
01:28:49,590 --> 01:28:46,560
was actually two commercial airlines

2300
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:49,600
that witnessed one of these craft

2301
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:51,760
covering las vegas that's a whole other

2302
01:28:55,590 --> 01:28:53,040
story and then

2303
01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:55,600
the sightings continued all the way

2304
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:56,400
until 5

2305
01:29:01,430 --> 01:28:59,520
30 the next morning the last

2306
01:29:03,350 --> 01:29:01,440
report that i had personally was from a

2307
01:29:05,510 --> 01:29:03,360
boeing crewman that said that his whole

2308
01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:05,520
crew was coming into work 5 30 the next

2309
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:06,080
morning

2310
01:29:10,149 --> 01:29:08,800
and one of these ginormous craft was

2311
01:29:13,750 --> 01:29:10,159
over their tarmac

2312
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:13,760
now again at 8 30 and we had a call at 3

2313
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:14,880
a.m

2314
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:17,280
that evening the next morning from an

2315
01:29:21,669 --> 01:29:19,760
alleged crewman from luke air force base

2316
01:29:23,350 --> 01:29:21,679
who called the national ufo reporting

2317
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:23,360
center in seattle washington peter

2318
01:29:26,709 --> 01:29:25,360
davenport to report in great detail we

2319
01:29:29,189 --> 01:29:26,719
have part of his recording

2320
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:29,199
in the documentary that jets were sent

2321
01:29:32,790 --> 01:29:30,960
out from luke air force base to

2322
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:32,800
intercept and get cun camera film which

2323
01:29:36,390 --> 01:29:33,920
i heard that they did

2324
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:36,400
i haven't seen it but i heard they did

2325
01:29:41,669 --> 01:29:37,360
to get

2326
01:29:44,149 --> 01:29:41,679
a intercept a one of these mile long

2327
01:29:45,430 --> 01:29:44,159
craft over central phoenix seventh

2328
01:29:48,629 --> 01:29:45,440
avenue and indian school

2329
01:29:49,350 --> 01:29:48,639
as they got close the lights started to

2330
01:29:51,350 --> 01:29:49,360
dim

2331
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:51,360
and then the entire thing blinked out

2332
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:53,040
and disappeared

2333
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:54,800
freaking out one of the pilots who this

2334
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:56,800
alleged crewman said he helped out of

2335
01:30:01,510 --> 01:29:58,800
his aircraft and luke air force base

2336
01:30:03,910 --> 01:30:01,520
went on lockdown so there was so much

2337
01:30:06,629 --> 01:30:03,920
going on and the the media picked up

2338
01:30:07,990 --> 01:30:06,639
on the 8 to 10 when people were outside

2339
01:30:10,629 --> 01:30:08,000
looking up

2340
01:30:11,189 --> 01:30:10,639
at the clear sky where the hellbop comet

2341
01:30:13,430 --> 01:30:11,199
was

2342
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:13,440
clearly seen that evening thousands of

2343
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:14,880
people were outside looking up at the

2344
01:30:17,669 --> 01:30:15,360
sky

2345
01:30:19,030 --> 01:30:17,679
talk about a coincidence right when they

2346
01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:19,040
also got a glimpse

2347
01:30:24,229 --> 01:30:22,080
of these mile and a couple years ago

2348
01:30:25,830 --> 01:30:24,239
peter davenport director of the ufo

2349
01:30:26,790 --> 01:30:25,840
reporting center in seattle washington

2350
01:30:29,750 --> 01:30:26,800
reported

2351
01:30:31,669 --> 01:30:29,760
in a conference that i was speaking in

2352
01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:31,679
oregon and he has since

2353
01:30:37,910 --> 01:30:34,719
that one of these objects was eight

2354
01:30:41,110 --> 01:30:37,920
miles wide and it wasn't only orbs

2355
01:30:41,990 --> 01:30:41,120
we did a 12-year study of meticulous

2356
01:30:43,830 --> 01:30:42,000
study

2357
01:30:45,669 --> 01:30:43,840
two or more people had to see the same

2358
01:30:47,189 --> 01:30:45,679
craft and these were

2359
01:30:48,790 --> 01:30:47,199
thousands of reports from the national

2360
01:30:50,070 --> 01:30:48,800
ufo reporting center in seattle

2361
01:30:52,709 --> 01:30:50,080
washington

2362
01:30:53,750 --> 01:30:52,719
arizona mufon village labs which was a

2363
01:30:55,430 --> 01:30:53,760
computer lab near

2364
01:30:57,669 --> 01:30:55,440
arizona state university which was a

2365
01:31:00,550 --> 01:30:57,679
clearinghouse for many of the reports

2366
01:31:02,550 --> 01:31:00,560
as well as then councilwoman vice mayor

2367
01:31:04,950 --> 01:31:02,560
of phoenix francis barwood she received

2368
01:31:06,629 --> 01:31:04,960
about a thousand reports herself

2369
01:31:09,270 --> 01:31:06,639
two or more people had to see the same

2370
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:09,280
craft and if you go on the gap page

2371
01:31:13,990 --> 01:31:12,480
gap geospatial animation project they're

2372
01:31:16,149 --> 01:31:14,000
beautifully illustrated

2373
01:31:18,310 --> 01:31:16,159
and there's animations there by by larry

2374
01:31:20,149 --> 01:31:18,320
lowe there were ten

2375
01:31:21,910 --> 01:31:20,159
different craft and some of them were

2376
01:31:23,350 --> 01:31:21,920
very different now whether it was one

2377
01:31:25,669 --> 01:31:23,360
craft that could morph

2378
01:31:27,189 --> 01:31:25,679
into looking different or the

2379
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:27,199
perspective from where the person was

2380
01:31:30,310 --> 01:31:28,080
standing or an

2381
01:31:31,830 --> 01:31:30,320
actual parade and that's what was

2382
01:31:34,390 --> 01:31:31,840
concluded because

2383
01:31:35,669 --> 01:31:34,400
it wasn't just arizona jimmy no it's

2384
01:31:39,910 --> 01:31:35,679
mapped out new mexico

2385
01:31:42,870 --> 01:31:39,920
yeah california and and and nevada

2386
01:31:44,070 --> 01:31:42,880
and they were seeing different things in

2387
01:31:47,030 --> 01:31:44,080
different locations

2388
01:31:49,430 --> 01:31:47,040
at the same time so it really was a

2389
01:31:51,270 --> 01:31:49,440
parade an amazing amazing parade

2390
01:31:52,550 --> 01:31:51,280
also the technology that's another thing

2391
01:31:54,790 --> 01:31:52,560
before we wait well

2392
01:31:55,830 --> 01:31:54,800
no i've got to take a break right here

2393
01:31:59,669 --> 01:31:55,840
so let's get that

2394
01:32:03,270 --> 01:31:59,679
in our guest tonight dr lynn kitai

2395
01:32:04,709 --> 01:32:03,280
this is this week the 24th anniversary

2396
01:32:06,550 --> 01:32:04,719
of the phoenix lights

2397
01:32:08,470 --> 01:32:06,560
we're doing full coverage tonight from

2398
01:32:09,189 --> 01:32:08,480
beginning to end i'm your host jimmy

2399
01:32:11,430 --> 01:32:09,199
church

2400
01:32:12,870 --> 01:32:11,440
this is fade to black more with dr lin

2401
01:32:26,149 --> 01:32:12,880
after this short break

2402
01:32:29,270 --> 01:32:26,159
stay with us

2403
01:32:32,390 --> 01:32:29,280
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2404
01:32:34,229 --> 01:32:32,400
you're listening to fade to black

2405
01:32:36,310 --> 01:32:34,239
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2407
01:32:42,790 --> 01:32:54,229
[Applause]

2408
01:32:58,310 --> 01:32:56,310
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not of course you do

2410
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2451
01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:59,750
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01:35:05,270 --> 01:35:04,000
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2459
01:35:56,149 --> 01:35:53,679
welcome back fade to black i am your

2460
01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:56,159
host jimmy church this week is the 24th

2461
01:35:58,629 --> 01:35:57,840
anniversary of the phoenix lights

2462
01:36:01,030 --> 01:35:58,639
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uh most interesting aspects uh for me

2490
01:37:08,149 --> 01:37:07,360
with this is when you look at the

2491
01:37:10,709 --> 01:37:08,159
sightings

2492
01:37:11,510 --> 01:37:10,719
uh across multiple states and the timing

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of it

2494
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:15,040
it appears to me that

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this is the way that i look at it like

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01:37:22,550 --> 01:37:19,040
that flew over vegas and then

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01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:22,560
kind of went through arizona across

2498
01:37:29,030 --> 01:37:25,840
phoenix then turned south uh towards

2499
01:37:32,229 --> 01:37:29,040
tucson and the sightings and

2500
01:37:35,510 --> 01:37:32,239
uh the witnesses can map this out for us

2501
01:37:36,550 --> 01:37:35,520
is that essentially what happened that's

2502
01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:36,560
one of the things that

2503
01:37:40,229 --> 01:37:39,040
happened because i i mentioned it

2504
01:37:42,390 --> 01:37:40,239
actually started

2505
01:37:43,350 --> 01:37:42,400
for days before needless to say but on

2506
01:37:45,350 --> 01:37:43,360
march 13th

2507
01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:45,360
3 p.m in the afternoon there were

2508
01:37:49,510 --> 01:37:46,560
daylight sightings in

2509
01:37:49,750 --> 01:37:49,520
arizona so it didn't necessarily you

2510
01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:49,760
know

2511
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:52,960
the first official report came in about

2512
01:37:57,270 --> 01:37:53,840
eight o'clock

2513
01:38:00,709 --> 01:37:57,280
from a retired police officer in paulden

2514
01:38:02,629 --> 01:38:00,719
arizona and um from from nevada

2515
01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:02,639
so there were multiple things happening

2516
01:38:08,550 --> 01:38:04,960
at the same time one of the major

2517
01:38:11,590 --> 01:38:08,560
uh craft actually that went through

2518
01:38:14,629 --> 01:38:11,600
over i-10 you mentioned i-10

2519
01:38:15,510 --> 01:38:14,639
was from north to south and then came

2520
01:38:17,510 --> 01:38:15,520
back again

2521
01:38:19,270 --> 01:38:17,520
but there were multiple things happening

2522
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:19,280
also in in

2523
01:38:22,709 --> 01:38:22,080
new mexico in california and uh

2524
01:38:25,109 --> 01:38:22,719
throughout

2525
01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:25,119
arizona at the same time and what was

2526
01:38:27,830 --> 01:38:26,400
amazing is missions that

2527
01:38:29,990 --> 01:38:27,840
seemed to be attached to something and

2528
01:38:31,750 --> 01:38:30,000
they couldn't quite see was attached to

2529
01:38:34,149 --> 01:38:31,760
but it blocked out the stars it went

2530
01:38:34,629 --> 01:38:34,159
right overhead we were talking roof top

2531
01:38:37,750 --> 01:38:34,639
level

2532
01:38:40,470 --> 01:38:37,760
totally silent other people actually saw

2533
01:38:41,430 --> 01:38:40,480
craft with gunmetal at the bottom with

2534
01:38:44,550 --> 01:38:41,440
windows with

2535
01:38:46,229 --> 01:38:44,560
beings at the windows and and what was

2536
01:38:47,990 --> 01:38:46,239
incredible about the technology we

2537
01:38:51,750 --> 01:38:48,000
haven't seen this technology yet

2538
01:38:53,510 --> 01:38:51,760
24 years later is that many witnesses

2539
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:53,520
actually saw the orbs

2540
01:38:57,189 --> 01:38:56,159
detach from the main object go out into

2541
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:57,199
the environment

2542
01:39:01,910 --> 01:38:59,520
and then re-dock with it and i always

2543
01:39:03,990 --> 01:39:01,920
think is that what happened in 95

2544
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:04,000
i i'll just leave that to your audience

2545
01:39:07,030 --> 01:39:04,960
because right right

2546
01:39:08,709 --> 01:39:07,040
the same phenomena was you know by the

2547
01:39:11,189 --> 01:39:08,719
airport at that you know

2548
01:39:12,149 --> 01:39:11,199
area where the native americans believe

2549
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:12,159
that there's a

2550
01:39:19,189 --> 01:39:15,360
a portal or gateway there the gila uh

2551
01:39:21,590 --> 01:39:19,199
river uh indian reservation area gila

2552
01:39:22,629 --> 01:39:21,600
um but also the fact that it was so

2553
01:39:24,470 --> 01:39:22,639
silent

2554
01:39:25,990 --> 01:39:24,480
and that it was so massive and we're

2555
01:39:29,270 --> 01:39:26,000
talking one to eight miles

2556
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:29,280
wide and some people we have a pilot

2557
01:39:32,709 --> 01:39:31,280
that is in our documentary who was right

2558
01:39:34,870 --> 01:39:32,719
underneath one of these

2559
01:39:36,229 --> 01:39:34,880
what he called a canister of spinning

2560
01:39:38,149 --> 01:39:36,239
energy

2561
01:39:40,550 --> 01:39:38,159
we have another fella who actually is in

2562
01:39:43,270 --> 01:39:40,560
the streaming discovery plus

2563
01:39:44,070 --> 01:39:43,280
uh show ufo witness that is streaming

2564
01:39:46,310 --> 01:39:44,080
right now

2565
01:39:47,990 --> 01:39:46,320
when discovery plus who is a registered

2566
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:48,000
nurse and he was also

2567
01:39:51,109 --> 01:39:49,920
very close to one of these craft and

2568
01:39:53,030 --> 01:39:51,119
actually looked up

2569
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:53,040
in the light and and he said it was like

2570
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:54,560
30 feet above him

2571
01:39:57,910 --> 01:39:56,880
and looked like there was lava coming

2572
01:39:59,109 --> 01:39:57,920
down and then

2573
01:40:01,109 --> 01:39:59,119
he thought he was going to get burned

2574
01:40:03,189 --> 01:40:01,119
and suddenly it would shoot straight up

2575
01:40:04,629 --> 01:40:03,199
we have a very credible couple who was

2576
01:40:07,189 --> 01:40:04,639
out in carefree

2577
01:40:08,149 --> 01:40:07,199
who were realtors also in mensa and very

2578
01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:08,159
very credible

2579
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:10,000
and they they were there were actually

2580
01:40:14,070 --> 01:40:11,280
stakes in the ground

2581
01:40:14,790 --> 01:40:14,080
for a development and they guesstimated

2582
01:40:17,430 --> 01:40:14,800
that the

2583
01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:17,440
uh craft was at least two miles wide and

2584
01:40:19,990 --> 01:40:19,520
they actually saw not only a gunmetal

2585
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:20,000
bottom

2586
01:40:23,430 --> 01:40:22,080
but they saw windows with beings at the

2587
01:40:25,590 --> 01:40:23,440
windows looking

2588
01:40:27,430 --> 01:40:25,600
down at them and one of the craft

2589
01:40:28,950 --> 01:40:27,440
actually split into and and shot

2590
01:40:30,870 --> 01:40:28,960
straight up and we're talking

2591
01:40:32,950 --> 01:40:30,880
craft that took off at blink speed that

2592
01:40:34,790 --> 01:40:32,960
were a rooftop level

2593
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:34,800
right over people's heads without even

2594
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:36,400
dispersing the the air

2595
01:40:40,149 --> 01:40:38,320
i mean it's just incredible technology

2596
01:40:42,790 --> 01:40:40,159
to be sure have have we seen anything

2597
01:40:46,229 --> 01:40:45,750
this is one of the fascinating aspects

2598
01:40:49,590 --> 01:40:46,239
about

2599
01:40:52,629 --> 01:40:49,600
the phoenix lights for me is as uh

2600
01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:52,639
this was unfolding for all of us i

2601
01:40:57,350 --> 01:40:53,920
happen to catch

2602
01:40:59,189 --> 01:40:57,360
this video online of somebody on the 10

2603
01:41:03,990 --> 01:40:59,199
freeway pulled over

2604
01:41:05,910 --> 01:41:04,000
shoots the the object the boomerang and

2605
01:41:09,750 --> 01:41:05,920
i watched that video probably

2606
01:41:12,790 --> 01:41:09,760
50 times and then it disappeared

2607
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:12,800
the video was scrubbed from the net

2608
01:41:19,590 --> 01:41:16,320
it's not out there anymore and

2609
01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:19,600
it was one of the most amazing uh

2610
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:23,440
uh triangle v-shaped uh ufos ever shot

2611
01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:25,360
and it was traveling through the star

2612
01:41:30,310 --> 01:41:28,480
you could see the stars passing by uh

2613
01:41:31,189 --> 01:41:30,320
you can hear everybody describing what

2614
01:41:33,430 --> 01:41:31,199
they are seeing

2615
01:41:35,030 --> 01:41:33,440
and then the video has disappeared i

2616
01:41:38,149 --> 01:41:35,040
have never seen it again

2617
01:41:39,910 --> 01:41:38,159
it's been it's probably been 15 20 years

2618
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:39,920
since i've seen that video

2619
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:41,920
and why why would they remove it from

2620
01:41:44,229 --> 01:41:43,760
the net why why would they pull that

2621
01:41:46,070 --> 01:41:44,239
down

2622
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:46,080
it was that's a very interesting

2623
01:41:49,990 --> 01:41:47,600
question because as

2624
01:41:50,709 --> 01:41:50,000
and and the other question is after this

2625
01:41:53,350 --> 01:41:50,719
happens when

2626
01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:53,360
thousands and we're talking tens of

2627
01:41:56,149 --> 01:41:54,560
thousands of people were outside

2628
01:41:57,350 --> 01:41:56,159
purposely looking up at the sky at the

2629
01:41:59,510 --> 01:41:57,360
hillbop comet

2630
01:42:01,990 --> 01:41:59,520
and that's why i think like the the

2631
01:42:04,149 --> 01:42:02,000
story became it was eight to ten well

2632
01:42:05,990 --> 01:42:04,159
that's when most people contacted the

2633
01:42:07,990 --> 01:42:06,000
radio stations or whatever

2634
01:42:09,910 --> 01:42:08,000
um so they kind of hone in on that but

2635
01:42:10,550 --> 01:42:09,920
it certainly was was more far-reaching

2636
01:42:13,830 --> 01:42:10,560
than that

2637
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:13,840
but being that being that that being so

2638
01:42:17,109 --> 01:42:15,360
there was no investigation

2639
01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:17,119
there was no explanation it was just

2640
01:42:20,870 --> 01:42:19,040
uncanny it was there was nothing

2641
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:20,880
they even in the paper they had it like

2642
01:42:24,629 --> 01:42:22,560
in the section b

2643
01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:24,639
the third page or something a couple

2644
01:42:29,430 --> 01:42:26,000
days later it was just

2645
01:42:32,149 --> 01:42:29,440
bizarre until in may

2646
01:42:32,950 --> 01:42:32,159
uh councilwoman vice mayor of phoenix at

2647
01:42:35,189 --> 01:42:32,960
the time

2648
01:42:36,470 --> 01:42:35,199
bought francis barwood innocently she

2649
01:42:38,149 --> 01:42:36,480
didn't see it but so many of her

2650
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:38,159
constituents were calling why isn't

2651
01:42:42,470 --> 01:42:39,600
there an investigation

2652
01:42:44,149 --> 01:42:42,480
she asked for one and was plastered you

2653
01:42:46,149 --> 01:42:44,159
you mentioned earlier about

2654
01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:46,159
the ridicule and the snickering and i

2655
01:42:49,270 --> 01:42:47,600
mean there were there were jokes made in

2656
01:42:50,950 --> 01:42:49,280
the paper about her it was awful

2657
01:42:53,270 --> 01:42:50,960
the people that came forward i was so

2658
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:53,280
happy to stay anonymous collecting my

2659
01:42:57,590 --> 01:42:54,880
dad and doing my homework but

2660
01:42:58,070 --> 01:42:57,600
she was very brave and she came forward

2661
01:43:02,229 --> 01:42:58,080
and

2662
01:43:06,790 --> 01:43:02,239
interestingly

2663
01:43:09,990 --> 01:43:06,800
it wasn't until june 18th a front page

2664
01:43:12,470 --> 01:43:10,000
usa today article for the first time

2665
01:43:13,030 --> 01:43:12,480
people outside of arizona were hearing

2666
01:43:15,910 --> 01:43:13,040
about

2667
01:43:18,070 --> 01:43:15,920
the mass sighting of march 13 1997 and

2668
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:18,080
we didn't have social media at the time

2669
01:43:25,109 --> 01:43:21,520
it went viral overnight the next morning

2670
01:43:28,470 --> 01:43:25,119
the 19th of may of june

2671
01:43:30,790 --> 01:43:28,480
it was on every news station on

2672
01:43:33,109 --> 01:43:30,800
nationally it was on the morning shows

2673
01:43:34,550 --> 01:43:33,119
it was on peter jennings and and

2674
01:43:36,870 --> 01:43:34,560
dan rather i mean it was just

2675
01:43:40,149 --> 01:43:36,880
unbelievable that just overnight

2676
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:40,159
and by late morning that day

2677
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:42,480
the next day after the usa today oracle

2678
01:43:46,470 --> 01:43:44,480
we get a public announcement that

2679
01:43:48,149 --> 01:43:46,480
the former governor of symington was

2680
01:43:49,189 --> 01:43:48,159
calling a press conference for that

2681
01:43:51,750 --> 01:43:49,199
afternoon

2682
01:43:53,430 --> 01:43:51,760
to reveal the culprit of the lights over

2683
01:43:55,510 --> 01:43:53,440
phoenix and i was thrilled i was looking

2684
01:43:57,910 --> 01:43:55,520
for any logical explanation

2685
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:57,920
and everybody took them seriously and he

2686
01:44:03,669 --> 01:44:00,000
comes marching out one of his aides

2687
01:44:05,830 --> 01:44:03,679
with a giant alien head costume

2688
01:44:09,030 --> 01:44:05,840
and made a mockery of the sighting which

2689
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:09,040
was extremely disconcerting for anyone

2690
01:44:12,709 --> 01:44:11,440
that saw the real deal especially

2691
01:44:13,830 --> 01:44:12,719
parents that were with children they

2692
01:44:16,149 --> 01:44:13,840
were furious

2693
01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:16,159
and um but i have to tell you it put a

2694
01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:17,920
put a lid on it and by the way he said

2695
01:44:35,910 --> 01:44:20,080
people were panicking

2696
01:44:39,189 --> 01:44:37,590
people are saying why isn't there an

2697
01:44:40,629 --> 01:44:39,199
investigation why isn't there an

2698
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:40,639
explanation

2699
01:44:51,189 --> 01:44:48,560
at any rate

2700
01:44:52,950 --> 01:44:51,199
i mean it wasn't funny it was not a joke

2701
01:44:53,510 --> 01:44:52,960
and i started calling every military

2702
01:44:55,030 --> 01:44:53,520
base

2703
01:44:56,709 --> 01:44:55,040
to find out what was going what they

2704
01:44:58,149 --> 01:44:56,719
knew and they were more interested i

2705
01:44:59,669 --> 01:44:58,159
never told them details

2706
01:45:02,149 --> 01:44:59,679
but they were more interested in seeing

2707
01:45:02,629 --> 01:45:02,159
my data than giving an explanation for

2708
01:45:04,390 --> 01:45:02,639
it

2709
01:45:05,750 --> 01:45:04,400
in fact one of them i have this comment

2710
01:45:07,669 --> 01:45:05,760
in the in the book and i tried to get as

2711
01:45:09,830 --> 01:45:07,679
high up as i could at the military basis

2712
01:45:12,470 --> 01:45:09,840
we have like four military bases here

2713
01:45:14,070 --> 01:45:12,480
said oh i don't know who did this only

2714
01:45:14,470 --> 01:45:14,080
god and whoever did this knows who did

2715
01:45:16,550 --> 01:45:14,480
this

2716
01:45:17,590 --> 01:45:16,560
i mean it's like what i get a call a

2717
01:45:20,310 --> 01:45:17,600
month later

2718
01:45:21,910 --> 01:45:20,320
this is really interesting on june 20 on

2719
01:45:23,910 --> 01:45:21,920
july 24th

2720
01:45:25,590 --> 01:45:23,920
from one of the heads of pr at the air

2721
01:45:26,709 --> 01:45:25,600
national guard and she says oh dr lynn i

2722
01:45:29,350 --> 01:45:26,719
think we know what those lights were

2723
01:45:31,270 --> 01:45:29,360
back in march and i was thrilled

2724
01:45:33,750 --> 01:45:31,280
she says do you believe in all these

2725
01:45:35,350 --> 01:45:33,760
months nobody ever looked at the log for

2726
01:45:37,750 --> 01:45:35,360
visiting air national guard and the

2727
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:37,760
maryland air national guard was in town

2728
01:45:41,910 --> 01:45:40,880
sending off military illumination flares

2729
01:45:44,310 --> 01:45:41,920
in operation

2730
01:45:45,830 --> 01:45:44,320
snow bird which i later found out means

2731
01:45:48,629 --> 01:45:45,840
diversionary tactical

2732
01:45:49,990 --> 01:45:48,639
maneuvers military-wise which they may

2733
01:45:52,229 --> 01:45:50,000
have been sending off flares but we

2734
01:45:54,390 --> 01:45:52,239
don't have one witness by the way that

2735
01:45:55,669 --> 01:45:54,400
described what flares do she said that

2736
01:45:57,990 --> 01:45:55,679
must be what some

2737
01:45:59,510 --> 01:45:58,000
people saw and i said wait a minute i

2738
01:46:01,270 --> 01:45:59,520
said when was the maryland air national

2739
01:46:02,470 --> 01:46:01,280
guard in town she says march 1st to the

2740
01:46:04,310 --> 01:46:02,480
15th

2741
01:46:06,229 --> 01:46:04,320
i said were they in town in january she

2742
01:46:09,270 --> 01:46:06,239
says oh no i said are you sure

2743
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:09,280
she said absolutely not i said well

2744
01:46:14,390 --> 01:46:12,480
i said i have documentation 35

2745
01:46:16,950 --> 01:46:14,400
millimeter documentation

2746
01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:16,960
that the same exact thing happened two

2747
01:46:19,750 --> 01:46:18,719
months before the mass setting confirmed

2748
01:46:22,390 --> 01:46:19,760
the next morning

2749
01:46:24,790 --> 01:46:22,400
by air traffic controllers in january

2750
01:46:27,030 --> 01:46:24,800
and the next morning in march

2751
01:46:28,790 --> 01:46:27,040
that whatever it was appeared over class

2752
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:28,800
b restricted airspace a thousand feet

2753
01:46:31,830 --> 01:46:29,679
altitude

2754
01:46:33,270 --> 01:46:31,840
and she says you never told me that

2755
01:46:34,870 --> 01:46:33,280
because i never told them details

2756
01:46:36,709 --> 01:46:34,880
and i said besides you're trying to tell

2757
01:46:38,790 --> 01:46:36,719
me and i educated myself to anything

2758
01:46:39,669 --> 01:46:38,800
logical including military illumination

2759
01:46:41,910 --> 01:46:39,679
players

2760
01:46:43,430 --> 01:46:41,920
that cannot keep a formation drift and

2761
01:46:44,709 --> 01:46:43,440
drop with the wind on parachutes

2762
01:46:46,390 --> 01:46:44,719
haphazardly

2763
01:46:47,830 --> 01:46:46,400
have huge smoke trails that are

2764
01:46:51,270 --> 01:46:47,840
illuminated by

2765
01:46:52,550 --> 01:46:51,280
the the flare itself and are meant to

2766
01:46:54,790 --> 01:46:52,560
illuminate the area around it which

2767
01:46:57,830 --> 01:46:54,800
again not one person described that

2768
01:46:59,189 --> 01:46:57,840
that saw the true unknowns and i said to

2769
01:47:01,830 --> 01:46:59,199
travel the entire

2770
01:47:03,270 --> 01:47:01,840
state in a rock solid equidistantly

2771
01:47:06,870 --> 01:47:03,280
spaced

2772
01:47:08,149 --> 01:47:06,880
mile wide v formation yeah it's new

2773
01:47:10,550 --> 01:47:08,159
flare technology

2774
01:47:11,510 --> 01:47:10,560
doctor wait a minute she says to me she

2775
01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:11,520
says to me

2776
01:47:16,390 --> 01:47:13,920
uh i have a call coming in i'll get back

2777
01:47:18,870 --> 01:47:16,400
to you i'm still waiting

2778
01:47:19,750 --> 01:47:18,880
well let me let me let me play this clip

2779
01:47:23,030 --> 01:47:19,760
that we have

2780
01:47:24,390 --> 01:47:23,040
um about the flares and this is

2781
01:47:25,669 --> 01:47:24,400
all wait a minute wait a minute that

2782
01:47:27,590 --> 01:47:25,679
wait a minute there's a little story

2783
01:47:30,870 --> 01:47:27,600
before though if i if i may

2784
01:47:31,750 --> 01:47:30,880
um three years passed okay three years

2785
01:47:33,590 --> 01:47:31,760
past

2786
01:47:34,870 --> 01:47:33,600
and because when they came out the next

2787
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:34,880
day and by the way

2788
01:47:39,350 --> 01:47:37,360
i called my my my sister-in-law in

2789
01:47:41,030 --> 01:47:39,360
delaware right after that call

2790
01:47:43,430 --> 01:47:41,040
to wish her a happy birthday on july

2791
01:47:45,430 --> 01:47:43,440
24th and the first thing she says to me

2792
01:47:46,870 --> 01:47:45,440
we haven't even heard about it here yet

2793
01:47:48,470 --> 01:47:46,880
the first thing she tells me oh we just

2794
01:47:50,629 --> 01:47:48,480
heard on the news that what you saw in

2795
01:47:51,669 --> 01:47:50,639
march was flares they heard about it

2796
01:47:53,510 --> 01:47:51,679
before we did

2797
01:47:55,030 --> 01:47:53,520
and the next day it was front page news

2798
01:47:58,070 --> 01:47:55,040
phoenix lights or flares

2799
01:48:00,229 --> 01:47:58,080
well three years later francis barwood

2800
01:48:02,470 --> 01:48:00,239
who was the vice mayor of phoenix was

2801
01:48:05,430 --> 01:48:02,480
running for secretary of state

2802
01:48:06,229 --> 01:48:05,440
to get answers for the as a public

2803
01:48:09,430 --> 01:48:06,239
safety issue

2804
01:48:11,590 --> 01:48:09,440
for the lights over phoenix and um

2805
01:48:13,830 --> 01:48:11,600
again she was she was plastered but she

2806
01:48:16,229 --> 01:48:13,840
was asking for a reenactment

2807
01:48:17,350 --> 01:48:16,239
which was great hey listen do it if it's

2808
01:48:20,229 --> 01:48:17,360
military hey

2809
01:48:21,910 --> 01:48:20,239
i'm open to anything show me okay show

2810
01:48:25,430 --> 01:48:21,920
me the same thing that i saw

2811
01:48:26,950 --> 01:48:25,440
and i'll say okay that's it well

2812
01:48:28,870 --> 01:48:26,960
why don't you show it now because that's

2813
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:28,880
what they did so right before the third

2814
01:48:31,590 --> 01:48:29,840
anniversary

2815
01:48:33,270 --> 01:48:31,600
we get a public announcement that three

2816
01:48:33,830 --> 01:48:33,280
air national guards were coming into

2817
01:48:35,510 --> 01:48:33,840
town

2818
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:35,520
to show everybody the phoenix flights

2819
01:48:38,149 --> 01:48:36,480
now i don't know if they thought it

2820
01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:38,159
would confuse the issue or defuse the

2821
01:48:42,070 --> 01:48:39,760
issue or whatever

2822
01:48:43,669 --> 01:48:42,080
but you'll see what happened because it

2823
01:48:47,910 --> 01:48:43,679
was talk about a joke

2824
01:48:50,149 --> 01:48:47,920
here we go three years after the 1997

2825
01:48:52,629 --> 01:48:50,159
sighting the arizona air national guard

2826
01:48:54,709 --> 01:48:52,639
staged this demonstration saying the

2827
01:48:56,149 --> 01:48:54,719
lights were military flares

2828
01:48:57,750 --> 01:48:56,159
we all got calls asking where our

2829
01:48:58,950 --> 01:48:57,760
aircraft were that night we all checked

2830
01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:58,960
and none of our aircraft were in that

2831
01:49:01,350 --> 01:48:59,520
area

2832
01:49:02,790 --> 01:49:01,360
but as we looked onward a couple months

2833
01:49:04,790 --> 01:49:02,800
later we found out we had

2834
01:49:06,550 --> 01:49:04,800
visiting aircraft but the demonstration

2835
01:49:10,229 --> 01:49:06,560
didn't settle the debate

2836
01:49:12,070 --> 01:49:10,239
and i have to say that

2837
01:49:13,510 --> 01:49:12,080
it just didn't make it for anyone that

2838
01:49:15,750 --> 01:49:13,520
had seen the true

2839
01:49:17,189 --> 01:49:15,760
mass sighting it was a joke flares like

2840
01:49:19,589 --> 01:49:17,199
these put off smoke and

2841
01:49:21,750 --> 01:49:19,599
witnesses say there was no smoke

2842
01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:21,760
associated with what they saw

2843
01:49:25,189 --> 01:49:23,760
so now more than a decade later the

2844
01:49:27,350 --> 01:49:25,199
lights remain a mystery

2845
01:49:28,470 --> 01:49:27,360
but one that kitai says deserves a

2846
01:49:30,310 --> 01:49:28,480
closer look

2847
01:49:32,070 --> 01:49:30,320
so the data speaks for itself i just

2848
01:49:32,470 --> 01:49:32,080
urge people to look at the data and

2849
01:49:34,070 --> 01:49:32,480
that's

2850
01:49:36,709 --> 01:49:34,080
one of the main reasons i came forward

2851
01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:36,719
if i can be a credible voice

2852
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:39,760
so that people actually look

2853
01:49:53,189 --> 01:49:49,189
yeah they blew it and

2854
01:50:00,629 --> 01:49:56,950
this is the thing is um

2855
01:50:04,149 --> 01:50:00,639
i'm a military brat okay dr lynn i have

2856
01:50:04,950 --> 01:50:04,159
seen all of the military exercises one

2857
01:50:07,030 --> 01:50:04,960
can imagine

2858
01:50:08,550 --> 01:50:07,040
a lot of them right outside of my living

2859
01:50:11,589 --> 01:50:08,560
room window

2860
01:50:13,750 --> 01:50:11,599
and i would watch flares dropped from

2861
01:50:15,030 --> 01:50:13,760
helicopters shot up in the air dropped

2862
01:50:18,310 --> 01:50:15,040
from play and

2863
01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:18,320
illuminating the ground below and and i

2864
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:21,920
i am the flare expert i am here to tell

2865
01:50:25,510 --> 01:50:22,880
you

2866
01:50:26,550 --> 01:50:25,520
long smoke trails they illuminate

2867
01:50:29,830 --> 01:50:26,560
themselves

2868
01:50:32,470 --> 01:50:29,840
as well as the area around you can see

2869
01:50:33,189 --> 01:50:32,480
everything and one of the things that

2870
01:50:35,510 --> 01:50:33,199
you note

2871
01:50:37,589 --> 01:50:35,520
when you see a bunch of flares lighting

2872
01:50:40,149 --> 01:50:37,599
up a military exercise

2873
01:50:41,510 --> 01:50:40,159
is the smoke that is left from the

2874
01:50:45,350 --> 01:50:41,520
flares

2875
01:50:48,709 --> 01:50:45,360
you can see it you can see it for miles

2876
01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:48,719
and and in this demonstration here that

2877
01:50:51,990 --> 01:50:51,360
shows exactly what is going on with the

2878
01:50:54,470 --> 01:50:52,000
flare the

2879
01:50:55,350 --> 01:50:54,480
flare is lighting itself up and it's

2880
01:50:58,470 --> 01:50:55,360
also

2881
01:51:01,910 --> 01:50:58,480
lighting up the smoke trail that it

2882
01:51:03,589 --> 01:51:01,920
is creating from itself and not only

2883
01:51:06,149 --> 01:51:03,599
that but they tried to make a triangle

2884
01:51:07,910 --> 01:51:06,159
and it was upside down

2885
01:51:09,350 --> 01:51:07,920
it fell apart immediately if you look at

2886
01:51:11,109 --> 01:51:09,360
the footage we have that

2887
01:51:12,470 --> 01:51:11,119
uh posted on our news page on the

2888
01:51:14,550 --> 01:51:12,480
phoenix flights network

2889
01:51:16,149 --> 01:51:14,560
website um in the middle there's a block

2890
01:51:17,430 --> 01:51:16,159
there that says az family if anybody

2891
01:51:18,950 --> 01:51:17,440
wants to take a peek at it

2892
01:51:20,629 --> 01:51:18,960
because you can see i mean it just falls

2893
01:51:21,910 --> 01:51:20,639
apart immediately and it has the huge

2894
01:51:25,030 --> 01:51:21,920
smoke trails i mean

2895
01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:25,040
that really put the nail in the coffin

2896
01:51:28,070 --> 01:51:27,520
for the military the phoenix lights have

2897
01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:28,080
never

2898
01:51:33,669 --> 01:51:31,199
to this day been re-enacted

2899
01:51:35,510 --> 01:51:33,679
or explained but they continue to appear

2900
01:51:36,070 --> 01:51:35,520
worldwide which is another thing that's

2901
01:51:39,750 --> 01:51:36,080
pretty

2902
01:51:42,470 --> 01:51:39,760
10th anniversary

2903
01:51:43,430 --> 01:51:42,480
we get this disclosure from our former

2904
01:51:47,030 --> 01:51:43,440
governor

2905
01:51:49,830 --> 01:51:47,040
who had mocked the sighting in in 97

2906
01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:49,840
that he actually saw it former governor

2907
01:51:53,109 --> 01:51:50,800
feinstein

2908
01:51:55,589 --> 01:51:53,119
saw one of the craft and as a military

2909
01:51:57,990 --> 01:51:55,599
pilot he was awarded military pilot

2910
01:51:58,870 --> 01:51:58,000
it definitely wasn't flares and in his

2911
01:52:00,470 --> 01:51:58,880
own words

2912
01:52:02,470 --> 01:52:00,480
which was very interesting because other

2913
01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:02,480
countries which i learned

2914
01:52:06,830 --> 01:52:03,840
who are much more open to these

2915
01:52:09,669 --> 01:52:06,840
phenomena would also use the same word

2916
01:52:10,070 --> 01:52:09,679
otherworldly and he witnessed it with

2917
01:52:14,709 --> 01:52:10,080
his

2918
01:52:17,109 --> 01:52:14,719
we know now

2919
01:52:19,350 --> 01:52:17,119
and going back to the original press

2920
01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:19,360
conference with the alien head with his

2921
01:52:23,510 --> 01:52:20,480
aide

2922
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:23,520
he knew what he had seen with his son

2923
01:52:27,669 --> 01:52:26,400
and he's up there lying to the public in

2924
01:52:30,470 --> 01:52:27,679
a presser

2925
01:52:32,229 --> 01:52:30,480
live press conference knowing that his

2926
01:52:33,990 --> 01:52:32,239
son is going to go dad wait a minute we

2927
01:52:36,310 --> 01:52:34,000
saw that together

2928
01:52:38,390 --> 01:52:36,320
and that's what politicians do and that

2929
01:52:40,070 --> 01:52:38,400
you know looking back in hindsight

2930
01:52:42,629 --> 01:52:40,080
it's one of the things that frustrated

2931
01:52:45,189 --> 01:52:42,639
me i'm glad that he came forward

2932
01:52:47,270 --> 01:52:45,199
i'm glad that he said what he said but

2933
01:52:49,510 --> 01:52:47,280
it goes to show you the lengths

2934
01:52:50,790 --> 01:52:49,520
that they will go for a cover-up and he

2935
01:52:53,510 --> 01:52:50,800
was part of it

2936
01:52:54,390 --> 01:52:53,520
um i want to before before we get to the

2937
01:52:57,270 --> 01:52:54,400
break

2938
01:52:57,990 --> 01:52:57,280
um i want to play the clip uh from kurt

2939
01:52:59,910 --> 01:52:58,000
russell

2940
01:53:01,270 --> 01:52:59,920
well wait a minute that's the next story

2941
01:53:03,189 --> 01:53:01,280
because um

2942
01:53:04,709 --> 01:53:03,199
what was really interesting and i'm glad

2943
01:53:08,229 --> 01:53:04,719
you brought it up because

2944
01:53:09,830 --> 01:53:08,239
also in 2017 almost simultaneously with

2945
01:53:11,430 --> 01:53:09,840
the pentagon coming forward and we

2946
01:53:12,470 --> 01:53:11,440
learned about the 22 million dollar

2947
01:53:15,350 --> 01:53:12,480
study that

2948
01:53:16,950 --> 01:53:15,360
um that they were doing for the military

2949
01:53:17,990 --> 01:53:16,960
and government and harry reid and so

2950
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:18,000
forth

2951
01:53:22,070 --> 01:53:20,400
the pilot and i had no idea who the

2952
01:53:24,070 --> 01:53:22,080
pilot private pilot was or commercial

2953
01:53:26,310 --> 01:53:24,080
pilot was but i actually wrote it in the

2954
01:53:28,470 --> 01:53:26,320
original book in 2004

2955
01:53:30,709 --> 01:53:28,480
because i found it really compelling

2956
01:53:32,149 --> 01:53:30,719
that pilots called into the tower to say

2957
01:53:34,709 --> 01:53:32,159
that they were seeing these things when

2958
01:53:37,189 --> 01:53:34,719
approaching departure of sky harbor

2959
01:53:37,750 --> 01:53:37,199
and the private pilot finally came

2960
01:53:40,870 --> 01:53:37,760
forward

2961
01:53:43,430 --> 01:53:40,880
and it was none other than kurt russell

2962
01:53:45,109 --> 01:53:43,440
and we just did um as i mentioned

2963
01:53:46,470 --> 01:53:45,119
earlier the discovery plus has a new

2964
01:53:49,750 --> 01:53:46,480
show called ufo

2965
01:53:51,350 --> 01:53:49,760
witness uh the host is ben henson

2966
01:53:53,350 --> 01:53:51,360
and he's terrific and the show is

2967
01:53:55,189 --> 01:53:53,360
terrific and the fifth episode is about

2968
01:53:58,709 --> 01:53:55,199
the phoenix lights and this is a little

2969
01:54:00,390 --> 01:53:58,719
snippet from there here is kurt russell

2970
01:54:02,149 --> 01:54:00,400
i'm gonna i'm gonna go straight to the

2971
01:54:03,830 --> 01:54:02,159
kurt russell section

2972
01:54:06,550 --> 01:54:03,840
of this i'm gonna back it up just a

2973
01:54:09,350 --> 01:54:06,560
little bit okay here we go

2974
01:54:09,830 --> 01:54:09,360
russell i saw six flights over the

2975
01:54:12,629 --> 01:54:09,840
airport

2976
01:54:13,750 --> 01:54:12,639
an absolute uniform in a v-shape and i

2977
01:54:14,790 --> 01:54:13,760
reported it

2978
01:54:16,149 --> 01:54:14,800
and they said we're not painting

2979
01:54:18,070 --> 01:54:16,159
anything we don't show anything i said

2980
01:54:19,830 --> 01:54:18,080
well okay i'm

2981
01:54:22,229 --> 01:54:19,840
going to declare it's unidentified

2982
01:54:23,189 --> 01:54:22,239
they're flying into six objects that was

2983
01:54:26,229 --> 01:54:23,199
the most viewed

2984
01:54:29,270 --> 01:54:26,239
ufo event over 20 000 people saw that

2985
01:54:30,870 --> 01:54:29,280
thousands of people what's going on it

2986
01:54:34,390 --> 01:54:30,880
could possibly be

2987
01:54:36,310 --> 01:54:34,400
i think the greatest mass sighting in

2988
01:54:38,470 --> 01:54:36,320
in our country's history and you had a

2989
01:54:41,589 --> 01:54:38,480
front row seat i did

2990
01:54:43,910 --> 01:54:41,599
now uh kurt russell coming forward

2991
01:54:45,189 --> 01:54:43,920
with with all the data being compiled

2992
01:54:48,550 --> 01:54:45,199
and all of the witnesses

2993
01:54:51,830 --> 01:54:48,560
and and everything um is

2994
01:54:55,669 --> 01:54:51,840
is kurt russell needed here

2995
01:54:57,830 --> 01:54:55,679
right or is he what the public needs

2996
01:54:59,350 --> 01:54:57,840
you know for validation where they go

2997
01:55:02,709 --> 01:54:59,360
okay well kurt

2998
01:55:04,950 --> 01:55:02,719
saw too so then we are not crazy right

2999
01:55:06,229 --> 01:55:04,960
is is is that what kurt brings to it i

3000
01:55:09,350 --> 01:55:06,239
was blown away

3001
01:55:11,990 --> 01:55:09,360
that he had the courage to step forward

3002
01:55:12,950 --> 01:55:12,000
absolutely the more credible people that

3003
01:55:15,430 --> 01:55:12,960
come forward

3004
01:55:17,030 --> 01:55:15,440
to share their experience and again most

3005
01:55:18,310 --> 01:55:17,040
anomalies can be explained

3006
01:55:21,350 --> 01:55:18,320
but when you have something this

3007
01:55:24,470 --> 01:55:21,360
compelling and someone comes forward

3008
01:55:26,870 --> 01:55:24,480
like the governor or kurt russell or

3009
01:55:30,310 --> 01:55:26,880
even alice cooper by the way

3010
01:55:32,390 --> 01:55:30,320
um had a phoenix flight sighting it just

3011
01:55:33,910 --> 01:55:32,400
lends more credibility to the whole

3012
01:55:35,589 --> 01:55:33,920
thing so i think it was really important

3013
01:55:37,189 --> 01:55:35,599
plus the fact if you listen to his full

3014
01:55:40,070 --> 01:55:37,199
report which is also

3015
01:55:41,109 --> 01:55:40,080
it's a beautiful report from uk on the

3016
01:55:44,229 --> 01:55:41,119
phoenix sites

3017
01:55:45,030 --> 01:55:44,239
network website you'll hear him also

3018
01:55:47,189 --> 01:55:45,040
talk he

3019
01:55:48,629 --> 01:55:47,199
he along with other people is a very i

3020
01:55:49,270 --> 01:55:48,639
hope we can get to this in the next

3021
01:55:51,669 --> 01:55:49,280
segment

3022
01:55:52,550 --> 01:55:51,679
how it affected people in real time and

3023
01:55:54,790 --> 01:55:52,560
long term

3024
01:55:56,709 --> 01:55:54,800
and by the way not one there is not one

3025
01:55:58,629 --> 01:55:56,719
credible report this has to be

3026
01:55:59,750 --> 01:55:58,639
said a number of times because it's

3027
01:56:02,470 --> 01:55:59,760
really important

3028
01:56:03,589 --> 01:56:02,480
not one credible report of harm threat

3029
01:56:05,109 --> 01:56:03,599
or abduction

3030
01:56:07,109 --> 01:56:05,119
associated with the phoenix late

3031
01:56:09,030 --> 01:56:07,119
phenomena can't speak for other things

3032
01:56:10,870 --> 01:56:09,040
but i can speak for the phoenix lights

3033
01:56:12,550 --> 01:56:10,880
and he was a perfect example of what

3034
01:56:14,390 --> 01:56:12,560
happened to a number of people

3035
01:56:16,310 --> 01:56:14,400
including a psychiatrist who was coming

3036
01:56:17,589 --> 01:56:16,320
up i-10 with his family who saw one of

3037
01:56:19,990 --> 01:56:17,599
these craft on

3038
01:56:21,430 --> 01:56:20,000
just right over right over his head

3039
01:56:23,189 --> 01:56:21,440
after they saw it

3040
01:56:25,030 --> 01:56:23,199
they forgot about it they didn't talk

3041
01:56:25,669 --> 01:56:25,040
about it kurt russell mentions that in

3042
01:56:28,470 --> 01:56:25,679
his

3043
01:56:30,070 --> 01:56:28,480
report that for two years he never said

3044
01:56:32,070 --> 01:56:30,080
a word to his son his son

3045
01:56:33,109 --> 01:56:32,080
was with him when they were flying in he

3046
01:56:35,830 --> 01:56:33,119
was flying into

3047
01:56:36,470 --> 01:56:35,840
carefree goldihon and he had a place

3048
01:56:39,030 --> 01:56:36,480
there

3049
01:56:41,030 --> 01:56:39,040
and they never said a word two years

3050
01:56:42,310 --> 01:56:41,040
later he walks in and he sees goldie

3051
01:56:43,910 --> 01:56:42,320
hawn at home

3052
01:56:45,510 --> 01:56:43,920
watching a tv program they're talking

3053
01:56:46,070 --> 01:56:45,520
about the phoenix lights and it like hit

3054
01:56:48,550 --> 01:56:46,080
him

3055
01:56:49,990 --> 01:56:48,560
like wait a minute i recall that and he

3056
01:56:52,070 --> 01:56:50,000
looked at his log

3057
01:56:53,189 --> 01:56:52,080
and realized that he was that private

3058
01:56:57,109 --> 01:56:53,199
private pilot

3059
01:57:00,310 --> 01:56:57,119
i i you know i was personally harmed

3060
01:57:02,870 --> 01:57:00,320
by this i was really yeah

3061
01:57:03,990 --> 01:57:02,880
tell me i missed it i was in phoenix

3062
01:57:07,109 --> 01:57:04,000
that night

3063
01:57:08,950 --> 01:57:07,119
you know and when i got back when i i

3064
01:57:10,870 --> 01:57:08,960
got back from the airport i told you

3065
01:57:14,229 --> 01:57:10,880
this before uh dr lin but

3066
01:57:17,589 --> 01:57:14,239
it it it it bears repeating in that i

3067
01:57:19,669 --> 01:57:17,599
i get home i i i bring my luggage in i

3068
01:57:22,310 --> 01:57:19,679
put it down i turn on the tv

3069
01:57:24,470 --> 01:57:22,320
and the news is the news is on and and

3070
01:57:26,550 --> 01:57:24,480
there it is last night in phoenix

3071
01:57:27,750 --> 01:57:26,560
right and i thought to myself wait a

3072
01:57:31,589 --> 01:57:27,760
minute

3073
01:57:34,149 --> 01:57:31,599
how did i miss that i'm sitting outside

3074
01:57:35,990 --> 01:57:34,159
at the hard rock hotel and you are at

3075
01:57:37,030 --> 01:57:36,000
the hard rock cafe you know where that

3076
01:57:39,750 --> 01:57:37,040
is right there

3077
01:57:41,189 --> 01:57:39,760
off of lincoln i believe but i'm there

3078
01:57:43,350 --> 01:57:41,199
what's what's the hotel

3079
01:57:45,030 --> 01:57:43,360
it's at 24th 24th and lincoln of

3080
01:57:45,910 --> 01:57:45,040
biltmore yeah the biltmore it's at the

3081
01:57:49,030 --> 01:57:45,920
biltmore

3082
01:57:51,990 --> 01:57:49,040
and um and and i gave up

3083
01:57:52,790 --> 01:57:52,000
the coolest ufo sighting for dinners in

3084
01:57:56,550 --> 01:57:52,800
a cocktail

3085
01:57:58,229 --> 01:57:56,560
right i was so angry more people

3086
01:58:00,149 --> 01:57:58,239
i've had more people say the same thing

3087
01:58:01,589 --> 01:58:00,159
i have to tell you and when we get back

3088
01:58:03,350 --> 01:58:01,599
i i really want to get into how it

3089
01:58:03,830 --> 01:58:03,360
affected people in real time and long

3090
01:58:05,750 --> 01:58:03,840
term

3091
01:58:07,350 --> 01:58:05,760
and i have heard people you know like i

3092
01:58:09,189 --> 01:58:07,360
said not one person it was

3093
01:58:10,629 --> 01:58:09,199
one report of harm threat or abduction

3094
01:58:12,310 --> 01:58:10,639
associated with the phoenix lights

3095
01:58:14,870 --> 01:58:12,320
phenomena was quite the opposite

3096
01:58:15,589 --> 01:58:14,880
people were in awe and in wonder and

3097
01:58:18,310 --> 01:58:15,599
curious

3098
01:58:19,350 --> 01:58:18,320
and and i had still have people telling

3099
01:58:21,510 --> 01:58:19,360
me that they feel

3100
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blessed to have had the experience so

3101
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hopefully one day you will too

3102
01:58:26,950 --> 01:58:25,119
uh i don't know i broke a lot of stuff

3103
01:58:27,910 --> 01:58:26,960
in my apartment that night i was pretty

3104
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upset

3105
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i'll be right back more with dr lynn

3106
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3182
02:02:32,310 --> 02:02:30,560
welcome back paid to black i am your

3183
02:02:36,229 --> 02:02:32,320
host jimmy church tonight dr

3184
02:02:38,470 --> 02:02:36,239
lynn kitai is with us this is

3185
02:02:39,990 --> 02:02:38,480
this week the 24th anniversary of the

3186
02:02:43,030 --> 02:02:40,000
phoenix lights incident

3187
02:02:46,470 --> 02:02:43,040
one of the most incredible incredible

3188
02:02:48,149 --> 02:02:46,480
uh events in in all of ufology

3189
02:02:50,790 --> 02:02:48,159
uh dr lynn there's no question about it

3190
02:02:54,310 --> 02:02:50,800
but before we move forward

3191
02:02:56,149 --> 02:02:54,320
i just posted what is one of my favorite

3192
02:02:59,910 --> 02:02:56,159
pictures of yours

3193
02:03:02,070 --> 02:02:59,920
and uh there's uh some high strangeness

3194
02:03:05,510 --> 02:03:02,080
behind the picture and it's the one

3195
02:03:06,709 --> 02:03:05,520
from october 10th 2001 and i'm gonna get

3196
02:03:09,990 --> 02:03:06,719
you to describe

3197
02:03:10,950 --> 02:03:10,000
that to everybody just a second but this

3198
02:03:14,229 --> 02:03:10,960
picture

3199
02:03:17,350 --> 02:03:14,239
was taken on my birthday

3200
02:03:20,390 --> 02:03:17,360
oh yeah and and

3201
02:03:22,709 --> 02:03:20,400
this is my birthday is october 10th so

3202
02:03:24,709 --> 02:03:22,719
uh this stands out for me for a couple

3203
02:03:25,950 --> 02:03:24,719
of reasons obviously it's my birthday

3204
02:03:29,910 --> 02:03:25,960
number two it's an

3205
02:03:32,950 --> 02:03:29,920
incredible photograph um

3206
02:03:34,950 --> 02:03:32,960
take us through uh this this particular

3207
02:03:38,229 --> 02:03:34,960
night and what compelled you

3208
02:03:39,910 --> 02:03:38,239
uh to snap this picture okay good

3209
02:03:41,430 --> 02:03:39,920
good question and that is an amazing

3210
02:03:45,350 --> 02:03:41,440
picture that's one of my favorites

3211
02:03:47,510 --> 02:03:45,360
um it was one month after 9 11

3212
02:03:49,669 --> 02:03:47,520
and again there's no coincidence right

3213
02:03:51,510 --> 02:03:49,679
jimmy well it's your birthday

3214
02:03:53,830 --> 02:03:51,520
um but anyway it was one month after 9

3215
02:03:54,709 --> 02:03:53,840
11 and it was a very scary time i have

3216
02:03:57,430 --> 02:03:54,719
to say at that

3217
02:03:59,830 --> 02:03:57,440
at that moment in time and uh one of our

3218
02:04:01,189 --> 02:03:59,840
sons was in law school and at ucla so we

3219
02:04:03,350 --> 02:04:01,199
didn't know what was going you know

3220
02:04:04,870 --> 02:04:03,360
if anything was going to happen in l.a

3221
02:04:07,189 --> 02:04:04,880
and they were starting to talk about the

3222
02:04:08,550 --> 02:04:07,199
anthrax scare it was really a scary

3223
02:04:11,750 --> 02:04:08,560
scary time

3224
02:04:15,589 --> 02:04:11,760
and i hadn't seen anything

3225
02:04:17,109 --> 02:04:15,599
for years um since uh maybe it was 98

3226
02:04:19,750 --> 02:04:17,119
that we didn't see anything

3227
02:04:20,470 --> 02:04:19,760
um close to the to the phoenix lights

3228
02:04:22,709 --> 02:04:20,480
and

3229
02:04:23,589 --> 02:04:22,719
i was looking out our window lying in

3230
02:04:25,350 --> 02:04:23,599
bed

3231
02:04:26,790 --> 02:04:25,360
and kind of freaking out a little bit

3232
02:04:28,229 --> 02:04:26,800
because um

3233
02:04:30,310 --> 02:04:28,239
you know the news was on and all they

3234
02:04:31,910 --> 02:04:30,320
were talking about was that there's

3235
02:04:33,750 --> 02:04:31,920
bomb shelters there's still bomb

3236
02:04:35,430 --> 02:04:33,760
shelters i mean everybody was like

3237
02:04:37,030 --> 02:04:35,440
freaking out and so was i

3238
02:04:39,350 --> 02:04:37,040
and i was looking out the sky and i was

3239
02:04:40,470 --> 02:04:39,360
thinking okay again this healthy skeptic

3240
02:04:42,229 --> 02:04:40,480
part of me

3241
02:04:43,510 --> 02:04:42,239
if you're real why haven't we seen you

3242
02:04:44,870 --> 02:04:43,520
where are you do you know what's

3243
02:04:47,750 --> 02:04:44,880
happened here

3244
02:04:49,270 --> 02:04:47,760
can you help us and with that thought

3245
02:04:51,910 --> 02:04:49,280
there they were

3246
02:04:52,950 --> 02:04:51,920
it was there and i ran outside and i

3247
02:04:55,589 --> 02:04:52,960
took that picture

3248
02:04:56,629 --> 02:04:55,599
i took several pictures in fact just

3249
02:04:58,870 --> 02:04:56,639
last year

3250
02:05:00,390 --> 02:04:58,880
i went back to those strips and found

3251
02:05:02,310 --> 02:05:00,400
another picture

3252
02:05:04,149 --> 02:05:02,320
that shows that they were turning i mean

3253
02:05:07,669 --> 02:05:04,159
they not only

3254
02:05:10,390 --> 02:05:07,679
do they look like discs okay but

3255
02:05:11,270 --> 02:05:10,400
i i was asked to do a to put up some of

3256
02:05:14,790 --> 02:05:11,280
my pictures

3257
02:05:17,589 --> 02:05:14,800
at the um arizona state uh

3258
02:05:18,629 --> 02:05:17,599
university anthropology exhibit several

3259
02:05:20,870 --> 02:05:18,639
years ago

3260
02:05:21,910 --> 02:05:20,880
and uh colonel wendell stevens you know

3261
02:05:25,430 --> 02:05:21,920
that name of course

3262
02:05:27,589 --> 02:05:25,440
uh he he had a whole battery of

3263
02:05:29,430 --> 02:05:27,599
amazing amazing pictures and if you go

3264
02:05:30,950 --> 02:05:29,440
on our website you'll see

3265
02:05:33,270 --> 02:05:30,960
at the bottom i believe was the home

3266
02:05:34,870 --> 02:05:33,280
page or certainly on the photo page i

3267
02:05:37,669 --> 02:05:34,880
think it's there

3268
02:05:39,270 --> 02:05:37,679
that he had a picture from the 60s of

3269
02:05:41,750 --> 02:05:39,280
three discs

3270
02:05:42,950 --> 02:05:41,760
in just in the same formation as my

3271
02:05:45,669 --> 02:05:42,960
picture

3272
02:05:46,629 --> 02:05:45,679
in the night time nighttime photo so

3273
02:05:49,189 --> 02:05:46,639
that was kind of cool

3274
02:05:50,310 --> 02:05:49,199
if people want to take a look at that um

3275
02:05:52,149 --> 02:05:50,320
so that was i mean

3276
02:05:54,149 --> 02:05:52,159
all the pictures have a have a story to

3277
02:05:56,550 --> 02:05:54,159
them and and i have to say that

3278
02:05:58,470 --> 02:05:56,560
um you know whoever doing this

3279
02:05:59,030 --> 02:05:58,480
especially on march 13th wanted to be

3280
02:06:01,910 --> 02:05:59,040
seen

3281
02:06:03,270 --> 02:06:01,920
and it's amazing how several times when

3282
02:06:05,990 --> 02:06:03,280
it was really heartfelt

3283
02:06:07,750 --> 02:06:06,000
and and i wasn't asking them to appear

3284
02:06:09,109 --> 02:06:07,760
but they they seemed to appear at

3285
02:06:11,430 --> 02:06:09,119
certain times when

3286
02:06:12,870 --> 02:06:11,440
it was very poignant um and there's a

3287
02:06:15,669 --> 02:06:12,880
couple more pictures there

3288
02:06:17,350 --> 02:06:15,679
of similar phenomena but i wanted before

3289
02:06:18,790 --> 02:06:17,360
we end this this conversation i really

3290
02:06:21,910 --> 02:06:18,800
wanted to get back to the

3291
02:06:23,750 --> 02:06:21,920
if we could to um how we're so

3292
02:06:25,750 --> 02:06:23,760
inundated with threat threat threat and

3293
02:06:27,030 --> 02:06:25,760
harm harm harm by hollywood in the media

3294
02:06:29,189 --> 02:06:27,040
for so many years

3295
02:06:31,589 --> 02:06:29,199
i hope that changes now that the media

3296
02:06:32,310 --> 02:06:31,599
and the government and military are

3297
02:06:34,790 --> 02:06:32,320
becoming more

3298
02:06:38,149 --> 02:06:34,800
forthcoming um i do hope that changes

3299
02:06:40,310 --> 02:06:38,159
but six months before the mass sighting

3300
02:06:41,589 --> 02:06:40,320
the film independence day was very

3301
02:06:43,830 --> 02:06:41,599
popular

3302
02:06:45,270 --> 02:06:43,840
and children interestingly were the

3303
02:06:47,430 --> 02:06:45,280
first to see

3304
02:06:49,270 --> 02:06:47,440
uh many times during the mass sighting

3305
02:06:50,470 --> 02:06:49,280
this massive v

3306
02:06:51,830 --> 02:06:50,480
of lights coming towards them and

3307
02:06:54,950 --> 02:06:51,840
jumping up and down independence day

3308
02:06:57,669 --> 02:06:54,960
independence day but as it came closer

3309
02:06:58,149 --> 02:06:57,679
a calmness came over everyone adults and

3310
02:07:01,589 --> 02:06:58,159
children

3311
02:07:03,189 --> 02:07:01,599
alike a connectiveness to the phenomena

3312
02:07:04,550 --> 02:07:03,199
that when it passed they wanted to run

3313
02:07:05,430 --> 02:07:04,560
after it they wanted their parents to

3314
02:07:08,149 --> 02:07:05,440
get into the

3315
02:07:09,589 --> 02:07:08,159
the car and chase it it's it's amazing

3316
02:07:13,189 --> 02:07:09,599
when you look at the data

3317
02:07:16,550 --> 02:07:13,199
of how it affected people in real time

3318
02:07:18,149 --> 02:07:16,560
in in such a profound soul level

3319
02:07:20,069 --> 02:07:18,159
i have to tell you i mean not only did

3320
02:07:22,229 --> 02:07:20,079
it wake people up

3321
02:07:23,189 --> 02:07:22,239
that we are not alone and it really did

3322
02:07:25,669 --> 02:07:23,199
it's not a belief

3323
02:07:27,109 --> 02:07:25,679
anymore and many people that saw the

3324
02:07:28,069 --> 02:07:27,119
phoenix lights will tell you it's a

3325
02:07:32,470 --> 02:07:28,079
knowing

3326
02:07:35,350 --> 02:07:32,480
lives forever

3327
02:07:36,069 --> 02:07:35,360
and long term we have people that went

3328
02:07:39,109 --> 02:07:36,079
into the

3329
02:07:41,109 --> 02:07:39,119
environmental movement

3330
02:07:43,030 --> 02:07:41,119
i mean even my husband stopped eating

3331
02:07:44,709 --> 02:07:43,040
meat i mean just

3332
02:07:46,550 --> 02:07:44,719
a complete change he was a mean potato

3333
02:07:48,470 --> 02:07:46,560
guys from from philadelphia

3334
02:07:49,589 --> 02:07:48,480
um it's amazing when you look at the

3335
02:07:52,709 --> 02:07:49,599
data and one of the

3336
02:07:53,350 --> 02:07:52,719
other pieces of the puzzle which also is

3337
02:07:57,910 --> 02:07:53,360
really

3338
02:07:59,830 --> 02:07:57,920
that a number of people including the

3339
02:08:01,830 --> 02:07:59,840
couple that were out in carefree

3340
02:08:03,189 --> 02:08:01,840
the psychiatrist that i talked about in

3341
02:08:05,750 --> 02:08:03,199
the book that was coming up

3342
02:08:07,430 --> 02:08:05,760
to phoenix um and and saw the craft

3343
02:08:08,390 --> 02:08:07,440
right above them with the with the arms

3344
02:08:11,589 --> 02:08:08,400
of the craft and

3345
02:08:14,950 --> 02:08:11,599
on either side of the um freeway

3346
02:08:16,870 --> 02:08:14,960
for for a long long length

3347
02:08:18,149 --> 02:08:16,880
they shared that they had had near-death

3348
02:08:21,510 --> 02:08:18,159
experiences as

3349
02:08:25,189 --> 02:08:21,520
children that was reawakened by

3350
02:08:28,149 --> 02:08:25,199
the mass sighting and i did too

3351
02:08:29,189 --> 02:08:28,159
that really hit me hard the same thing

3352
02:08:30,790 --> 02:08:29,199
happened to me

3353
02:08:32,550 --> 02:08:30,800
i had a near-death experience i'm going

3354
02:08:33,990 --> 02:08:32,560
to lay it all out there in the book that

3355
02:08:37,669 --> 02:08:34,000
changed my life forever

3356
02:08:40,310 --> 02:08:37,679
at 8 years old um that uh

3357
02:08:41,510 --> 02:08:40,320
i thought geez could it possibly be a

3358
02:08:43,510 --> 02:08:41,520
connection between

3359
02:08:44,790 --> 02:08:43,520
all unexplained phenomena whether it's

3360
02:08:46,790 --> 02:08:44,800
near-death experience

3361
02:08:48,629 --> 02:08:46,800
right out-of-body experience or

3362
02:08:51,270 --> 02:08:48,639
unexplained aerial phenomena

3363
02:08:53,270 --> 02:08:51,280
that have a mystical light associated

3364
02:08:55,030 --> 02:08:53,280
with the experience and lo and behold

3365
02:08:56,629 --> 02:08:55,040
when i started looking just like when i

3366
02:08:59,189 --> 02:08:56,639
pushed my whole medical career aside for

3367
02:09:02,550 --> 02:08:59,199
seven years and just

3368
02:09:04,069 --> 02:09:02,560
i couldn't get enough education of ufos

3369
02:09:05,589 --> 02:09:04,079
in the background in the history which

3370
02:09:07,510 --> 02:09:05,599
we didn't even get into which

3371
02:09:09,750 --> 02:09:07,520
uh started when human documentation

3372
02:09:11,189 --> 02:09:09,760
began of these same phenomenon suburian

3373
02:09:12,149 --> 02:09:11,199
writings and indian writings in the

3374
02:09:14,229 --> 02:09:12,159
bible and

3375
02:09:15,430 --> 02:09:14,239
um in paintings in the 15th and 16th

3376
02:09:18,069 --> 02:09:15,440
centuries and

3377
02:09:18,870 --> 02:09:18,079
and and going up to modern day similar

3378
02:09:21,910 --> 02:09:18,880
sightings

3379
02:09:24,390 --> 02:09:21,920
but when i saw that there was also

3380
02:09:26,310 --> 02:09:24,400
data at university level the omega

3381
02:09:29,270 --> 02:09:26,320
project by dr kenneth ring a four

3382
02:09:31,109 --> 02:09:29,280
inch book about the connection between

3383
02:09:34,629 --> 02:09:31,119
all unexplained phenomena

3384
02:09:37,910 --> 02:09:34,639
and and uh so many others even even dr

3385
02:09:40,629 --> 02:09:37,920
john mack at harvard was writing a book

3386
02:09:41,990 --> 02:09:40,639
before he was killed unfortunately um in

3387
02:09:44,069 --> 02:09:42,000
london

3388
02:09:45,510 --> 02:09:44,079
about the connection between all

3389
02:09:47,669 --> 02:09:45,520
unexplained phenomena

3390
02:09:49,669 --> 02:09:47,679
not only in the experience itself which

3391
02:09:50,950 --> 02:09:49,679
is very similar i laid out very simply

3392
02:09:53,990 --> 02:09:50,960
in the in the book

3393
02:09:55,750 --> 02:09:54,000
but the after effect the awakening the

3394
02:09:56,709 --> 02:09:55,760
enlightenment that happens to an

3395
02:09:59,669 --> 02:09:56,719
individual

3396
02:10:00,550 --> 02:09:59,679
that has a true unexplained phenomena

3397
02:10:02,709 --> 02:10:00,560
experience

3398
02:10:03,830 --> 02:10:02,719
i started calling them all and up

3399
02:10:05,589 --> 02:10:03,840
because they are

3400
02:10:06,950 --> 02:10:05,599
the positive transformation the

3401
02:10:09,350 --> 02:10:06,960
connectedness to the

3402
02:10:10,390 --> 02:10:09,360
to the universe and to the uh earth and

3403
02:10:12,550 --> 02:10:10,400
to each other

3404
02:10:15,030 --> 02:10:12,560
that for many people was never felt

3405
02:10:18,550 --> 02:10:15,040
before is felt in such a profound

3406
02:10:21,109 --> 02:10:18,560
spiritual way that that doesn't happen

3407
02:10:23,830 --> 02:10:21,119
with balloons and holograms and

3408
02:10:26,149 --> 02:10:23,840
helicopters and flares

3409
02:10:28,709 --> 02:10:26,159
the phoenix lights mass sighting not

3410
02:10:31,510 --> 02:10:28,719
only woke people up in a very gentle

3411
02:10:32,149 --> 02:10:31,520
non-threatening way to their presence

3412
02:10:35,030 --> 02:10:32,159
but

3413
02:10:35,910 --> 02:10:35,040
woke up each individual one person at a

3414
02:10:38,390 --> 02:10:35,920
time

3415
02:10:39,109 --> 02:10:38,400
to the wondrous possibilities of the

3416
02:10:41,109 --> 02:10:39,119
universe

3417
02:10:44,270 --> 02:10:41,119
those questions start to get answered

3418
02:10:46,790 --> 02:10:44,280
you know it's a it's a big question for

3419
02:10:48,310 --> 02:10:46,800
everybody it doesn't matter your

3420
02:10:51,669 --> 02:10:48,320
religious background

3421
02:10:55,830 --> 02:10:51,679
or who you are we all wonder

3422
02:10:57,430 --> 02:10:55,840
what's going on in the heavens in the

3423
02:10:59,430 --> 02:10:57,440
universe are we alone

3424
02:11:01,430 --> 02:10:59,440
and when that question starts to get

3425
02:11:04,550 --> 02:11:01,440
answered it has a profound

3426
02:11:06,069 --> 02:11:04,560
effect on on individuals i wanted to ask

3427
02:11:07,510 --> 02:11:06,079
you this i don't want to continue the

3428
02:11:10,149 --> 02:11:07,520
conversation of course

3429
02:11:11,589 --> 02:11:10,159
but the conscious connection to this

3430
02:11:14,229 --> 02:11:11,599
when you went out

3431
02:11:16,310 --> 02:11:14,239
you know a month after 9 11 when the

3432
02:11:19,510 --> 02:11:16,320
country in the world was going through

3433
02:11:23,030 --> 02:11:19,520
trauma you went out and

3434
02:11:25,589 --> 02:11:23,040
and asked right and suddenly

3435
02:11:27,510 --> 02:11:25,599
they are there what what about this

3436
02:11:31,109 --> 02:11:27,520
conscious connection

3437
02:11:33,430 --> 02:11:31,119
that uh is revealed to those that that

3438
02:11:35,510 --> 02:11:33,440
well it starts with opening having an

3439
02:11:37,910 --> 02:11:35,520
open mind and an open heart

3440
02:11:39,669 --> 02:11:37,920
and and you know i i have to say my

3441
02:11:41,910 --> 02:11:39,679
near-death experience

3442
02:11:42,709 --> 02:11:41,920
um really started it off i've even had

3443
02:11:44,310 --> 02:11:42,719
people

3444
02:11:45,910 --> 02:11:44,320
ask me because in my near-death

3445
02:11:49,270 --> 02:11:45,920
experience i did

3446
02:11:50,709 --> 02:11:49,280
meet three beings and i and i

3447
02:11:52,310 --> 02:11:50,719
have just begun to share this with

3448
02:11:55,430 --> 02:11:52,320
people it's in the book but

3449
02:11:58,149 --> 02:11:55,440
i've just begun to share this publicly

3450
02:11:59,910 --> 02:11:58,159
and huge they were giants above the

3451
02:12:01,669 --> 02:11:59,920
earth and glowing white robes and they

3452
02:12:03,510 --> 02:12:01,679
had hoods over their heads

3453
02:12:05,189 --> 02:12:03,520
and i tried to to look to see their

3454
02:12:07,270 --> 02:12:05,199
faces but i couldn't

3455
02:12:09,109 --> 02:12:07,280
see their faces and but i felt their

3456
02:12:10,550 --> 02:12:09,119
unconditional love for me they knew me

3457
02:12:12,149 --> 02:12:10,560
and i came back from from that

3458
02:12:15,350 --> 02:12:12,159
experience i mean it's

3459
02:12:16,790 --> 02:12:15,360
uh with with such profound um

3460
02:12:18,790 --> 02:12:16,800
thoughts and feelings i thought

3461
02:12:20,069 --> 02:12:18,800
everybody knew this the secret i thought

3462
02:12:22,550 --> 02:12:20,079
everybody had empathy

3463
02:12:23,589 --> 02:12:22,560
and and was psychic i mean i i just

3464
02:12:25,430 --> 02:12:23,599
didn't realize it

3465
02:12:27,030 --> 02:12:25,440
i mean it changed me forever which i

3466
02:12:29,430 --> 02:12:27,040
didn't even realize i mean i

3467
02:12:31,589 --> 02:12:29,440
i started to look at the at life in a

3468
02:12:33,669 --> 02:12:31,599
whole new way i mean i brought back

3469
02:12:35,830 --> 02:12:33,679
awareness that everything that comes

3470
02:12:37,750 --> 02:12:35,840
before you was there for a reason and

3471
02:12:39,030 --> 02:12:37,760
uh you know and i tried to take

3472
02:12:40,069 --> 02:12:39,040
advantage of everything and if you look

3473
02:12:41,990 --> 02:12:40,079
at my bio you'll

3474
02:12:43,750 --> 02:12:42,000
see that i took advantage of a lot of

3475
02:12:46,709 --> 02:12:43,760
stuff during my lifetime

3476
02:12:47,189 --> 02:12:46,719
um but also attitude positive attitude

3477
02:12:50,310 --> 02:12:47,199
is so

3478
02:12:52,310 --> 02:12:50,320
important um to to how your head

3479
02:12:53,830 --> 02:12:52,320
it affects everything and your body is

3480
02:12:55,750 --> 02:12:53,840
well i'm a physician i know how it

3481
02:12:58,709 --> 02:12:55,760
affects your body negatively

3482
02:12:59,510 --> 02:12:58,719
and and and visit and physically

3483
02:13:02,550 --> 02:12:59,520
mentally

3484
02:13:04,790 --> 02:13:02,560
and um and the people around you and um

3485
02:13:05,990 --> 02:13:04,800
just appreciation uh that's a that's

3486
02:13:08,310 --> 02:13:06,000
another thing that

3487
02:13:09,830 --> 02:13:08,320
i came back with but i've been asked a

3488
02:13:11,750 --> 02:13:09,840
number of times and i don't know

3489
02:13:12,870 --> 02:13:11,760
i just leave it out there did my

3490
02:13:15,589 --> 02:13:12,880
experience and i've

3491
02:13:17,669 --> 02:13:15,599
felt that these beings whoever they were

3492
02:13:19,109 --> 02:13:17,679
i thought they were spirit world for

3493
02:13:21,189 --> 02:13:19,119
until the phoenix lights now i don't

3494
02:13:22,790 --> 02:13:21,199
know who they were or what they were

3495
02:13:24,629 --> 02:13:22,800
but i have felt that they have been with

3496
02:13:26,149 --> 02:13:24,639
me as guides throughout my life and

3497
02:13:27,990 --> 02:13:26,159
whenever i meditate

3498
02:13:30,390 --> 02:13:28,000
and i have ten ways that people can

3499
02:13:33,510 --> 02:13:30,400
connect if they choose to to these other

3500
02:13:34,310 --> 02:13:33,520
intelligences out there um and you know

3501
02:13:36,229 --> 02:13:34,320
again

3502
02:13:37,750 --> 02:13:36,239
it might take a big leap for some people

3503
02:13:38,950 --> 02:13:37,760
maybe some people can't deal with it and

3504
02:13:39,750 --> 02:13:38,960
don't want to and think it's all

3505
02:13:42,229 --> 02:13:39,760
flibberish

3506
02:13:43,910 --> 02:13:42,239
that's their choice it is a choice but

3507
02:13:44,870 --> 02:13:43,920
once you open up your heart and your

3508
02:13:47,750 --> 02:13:44,880
mind

3509
02:13:49,510 --> 02:13:47,760
and many people that that i probably say

3510
02:13:51,109 --> 02:13:49,520
most people that saw the phoenix lights

3511
02:13:51,750 --> 02:13:51,119
are there already again it's not a

3512
02:13:54,790 --> 02:13:51,760
belief

3513
02:13:56,629 --> 02:13:54,800
it's a knowing and and it's just knowing

3514
02:13:58,870 --> 02:13:56,639
that we're we're not alone

3515
02:14:00,790 --> 02:13:58,880
and that um you know there there is so

3516
02:14:02,870 --> 02:14:00,800
much more

3517
02:14:04,550 --> 02:14:02,880
wondrous things out there in fact now we

3518
02:14:05,990 --> 02:14:04,560
know we even know by the spitzer and the

3519
02:14:07,910 --> 02:14:06,000
kepler telescopes that there are

3520
02:14:11,109 --> 02:14:07,920
billions of other galaxies

3521
02:14:12,470 --> 02:14:11,119
along with ours and and our one milky

3522
02:14:14,790 --> 02:14:12,480
way galaxy

3523
02:14:16,550 --> 02:14:14,800
is is only 14 billion years old and our

3524
02:14:17,910 --> 02:14:16,560
solar system is a very young solar

3525
02:14:20,310 --> 02:14:17,920
system it's only four to six

3526
02:14:21,990 --> 02:14:20,320
billion years old and we know that the

3527
02:14:24,629 --> 02:14:22,000
ingredients of life

3528
02:14:26,390 --> 02:14:24,639
are out there now i mean every all these

3529
02:14:28,950 --> 02:14:26,400
galaxies have their suns

3530
02:14:29,510 --> 02:14:28,960
um their stars with planets around them

3531
02:14:32,149 --> 02:14:29,520
and when

3532
02:14:34,149 --> 02:14:32,159
when a sun bursts i mean there's organic

3533
02:14:36,229 --> 02:14:34,159
materials and hydrogen and nitrogen and

3534
02:14:37,430 --> 02:14:36,239
oxygen and so forth and amino acids that

3535
02:14:39,270 --> 02:14:37,440
are spread throughout the universe i

3536
02:14:41,109 --> 02:14:39,280
call it panspermia

3537
02:14:43,830 --> 02:14:41,119
and you know we're discovering now that

3538
02:14:46,470 --> 02:14:43,840
this goes all over the universe so

3539
02:14:47,830 --> 02:14:46,480
um there are scientists now postulating

3540
02:14:51,350 --> 02:14:47,840
that there could be

3541
02:14:54,550 --> 02:14:51,360
intelligent sentient entities out there

3542
02:14:56,629 --> 02:14:54,560
billions of years ahead of us

3543
02:14:58,470 --> 02:14:56,639
and if that is true you don't think that

3544
02:15:00,470 --> 02:14:58,480
they're here

3545
02:15:02,229 --> 02:15:00,480
okay and of course we know that these

3546
02:15:03,830 --> 02:15:02,239
submersibles were seeing submersibles

3547
02:15:08,069 --> 02:15:03,840
and they could be in our oceans

3548
02:15:09,750 --> 02:15:08,079
for since human humans began here we

3549
02:15:11,030 --> 02:15:09,760
don't know i mean there's of course

3550
02:15:12,149 --> 02:15:11,040
you know all these theories we might

3551
02:15:13,189 --> 02:15:12,159
have been seated here and all that

3552
02:15:15,750 --> 02:15:13,199
that's a whole nother

3553
02:15:16,790 --> 02:15:15,760
a whole another program but um the point

3554
02:15:19,189 --> 02:15:16,800
is the bottom line

3555
02:15:20,950 --> 02:15:19,199
is that uh you know once you open your

3556
02:15:23,350 --> 02:15:20,960
mind and your heart

3557
02:15:25,030 --> 02:15:23,360
to the possibilities that there are

3558
02:15:28,390 --> 02:15:25,040
other intelligences out there

3559
02:15:31,030 --> 02:15:28,400
and and welcome them and meditate

3560
02:15:31,669 --> 02:15:31,040
um i get answers for things and i trust

3561
02:15:33,510 --> 02:15:31,679
it now

3562
02:15:35,589 --> 02:15:33,520
throughout my life i mean there have

3563
02:15:36,550 --> 02:15:35,599
been times in my life when i've come to

3564
02:15:38,550 --> 02:15:36,560
crossroads

3565
02:15:39,669 --> 02:15:38,560
including the phoenix lights and i talk

3566
02:15:41,990 --> 02:15:39,679
about it in the book

3567
02:15:43,510 --> 02:15:42,000
i mean i didn't know why i had what i

3568
02:15:45,270 --> 02:15:43,520
had i didn't know anything about this

3569
02:15:46,709 --> 02:15:45,280
topic didn't want anything to do with it

3570
02:15:48,790 --> 02:15:46,719
it was so controversial

3571
02:15:50,790 --> 02:15:48,800
as a physician an accomplished physician

3572
02:15:52,229 --> 02:15:50,800
and i went back to work

3573
02:15:53,750 --> 02:15:52,239
to help put our younger son through

3574
02:15:55,510 --> 02:15:53,760
medical school he's in the documentary

3575
02:15:57,189 --> 02:15:55,520
had a couple sightings with us

3576
02:15:58,629 --> 02:15:57,199
as a chief clinical consultant at the

3577
02:16:00,550 --> 02:15:58,639
arizona heart institute

3578
02:16:01,830 --> 02:16:00,560
and was so frightened to come forward

3579
02:16:03,510 --> 02:16:01,840
when i finally did

3580
02:16:05,430 --> 02:16:03,520
i couldn't believe how many people came

3581
02:16:07,270 --> 02:16:05,440
doctors and nurses came up to me

3582
02:16:09,589 --> 02:16:07,280
there's so many people that are ready

3583
02:16:12,310 --> 02:16:09,599
for this and and and just need that

3584
02:16:13,510 --> 02:16:12,320
one more push of confidence to know that

3585
02:16:16,790 --> 02:16:13,520
this is real

3586
02:16:18,069 --> 02:16:16,800
that something is going on that is not

3587
02:16:21,030 --> 02:16:18,079
of our world as

3588
02:16:21,910 --> 02:16:21,040
our reality cube tells us um that needs

3589
02:16:23,669 --> 02:16:21,920
to be studied

3590
02:16:26,149 --> 02:16:23,679
so we can find out who's driving these

3591
02:16:27,910 --> 02:16:26,159
things when did you have your near-death

3592
02:16:31,030 --> 02:16:27,920
experience

3593
02:16:33,589 --> 02:16:31,040
in 1956 when i was eight years old that

3594
02:16:37,190 --> 02:16:33,599
kind of gives away my age

3595
02:16:40,950 --> 02:16:37,200
so in 1956 at the age of eight

3596
02:16:44,230 --> 02:16:40,960
uh you you saw these

3597
02:16:46,549 --> 02:16:44,240
three giant beings at the age of eight

3598
02:16:48,309 --> 02:16:46,559
did you understand what was going on

3599
02:16:50,230 --> 02:16:48,319
no but i thought but i always felt that

3600
02:16:50,870 --> 02:16:50,240
they were with me i always looked up in

3601
02:16:52,629 --> 02:16:50,880
the sky

3602
02:16:53,990 --> 02:16:52,639
to see if they were with me and i always

3603
02:16:55,750 --> 02:16:54,000
felt when i

3604
02:16:57,270 --> 02:16:55,760
came to a crossroads like the phoenix

3605
02:16:58,790 --> 02:16:57,280
lights as i was just saying i went out

3606
02:17:00,230 --> 02:16:58,800
on the balcony after i said to my

3607
02:17:00,950 --> 02:17:00,240
friends why do i have this stuff and

3608
02:17:02,549 --> 02:17:00,960
they

3609
02:17:04,549 --> 02:17:02,559
you know the couple that i did share it

3610
02:17:07,589 --> 02:17:04,559
with would say lynn

3611
02:17:09,110 --> 02:17:07,599
this is what you do you can do something

3612
02:17:11,830 --> 02:17:09,120
credible and professional

3613
02:17:13,429 --> 02:17:11,840
with this and i i asked for guidance and

3614
02:17:14,070 --> 02:17:13,439
i surrendered and i said just show me

3615
02:17:16,629 --> 02:17:14,080
the way

3616
02:17:18,309 --> 02:17:16,639
i i will do whatever i can with my own

3617
02:17:19,349 --> 02:17:18,319
expertise and again it's not about me

3618
02:17:22,230 --> 02:17:19,359
but if i can lend

3619
02:17:23,030 --> 02:17:22,240
expertise to to make it real for people

3620
02:17:25,669 --> 02:17:23,040
to make it

3621
02:17:27,349 --> 02:17:25,679
professional and credible and and lend

3622
02:17:28,150 --> 02:17:27,359
the data out there so people actually

3623
02:17:30,629 --> 02:17:28,160
look at it

3624
02:17:32,230 --> 02:17:30,639
um as i said in that piece then then

3625
02:17:34,709 --> 02:17:32,240
i've done my job and it's still

3626
02:17:35,830 --> 02:17:34,719
it's amazing jimmy how the puzzle pieces

3627
02:17:38,309 --> 02:17:35,840
have continued

3628
02:17:39,750 --> 02:17:38,319
to fit together and going back to the

3629
02:17:40,549 --> 02:17:39,760
near death experience i've had people

3630
02:17:43,509 --> 02:17:40,559
ask

3631
02:17:44,870 --> 02:17:43,519
whether do you equate those three beings

3632
02:17:48,389 --> 02:17:44,880
with the three

3633
02:17:50,709 --> 02:17:48,399
orbs outside your right house in 1990

3634
02:17:52,070 --> 02:17:50,719
in 1997 right outside our bedroom window

3635
02:17:55,429 --> 02:17:52,080
i don't know

3636
02:17:57,990 --> 02:17:55,439
long time

3637
02:17:59,270 --> 02:17:58,000
and one of the the things that i'm

3638
02:18:02,950 --> 02:17:59,280
enjoying right now

3639
02:18:05,910 --> 02:18:02,960
for yourself and those in our community

3640
02:18:07,830 --> 02:18:05,920
that have been uh researching and

3641
02:18:09,509 --> 02:18:07,840
speaking about this for a long time

3642
02:18:11,110 --> 02:18:09,519
the last three years have been a lot of

3643
02:18:13,190 --> 02:18:11,120
fun it's been a certain amount of

3644
02:18:15,830 --> 02:18:13,200
vindication and validation and

3645
02:18:16,790 --> 02:18:15,840
and we can speak freer than we ever

3646
02:18:20,150 --> 02:18:16,800
could before

3647
02:18:20,790 --> 02:18:20,160
in the past but it's also an indication

3648
02:18:23,830 --> 02:18:20,800
to me

3649
02:18:24,150 --> 02:18:23,840
that something else is on the horizon do

3650
02:18:29,270 --> 02:18:24,160
you

3651
02:18:30,549 --> 02:18:29,280
on the edge of something big about to

3652
02:18:33,270 --> 02:18:30,559
break

3653
02:18:34,870 --> 02:18:33,280
i do i do i think we're cl we're closer

3654
02:18:37,990 --> 02:18:34,880
than we've ever been

3655
02:18:39,589 --> 02:18:38,000
to realize that um you know we

3656
02:18:40,629 --> 02:18:39,599
really aren't alone in the universe i

3657
02:18:42,309 --> 02:18:40,639
don't know if they're going to show

3658
02:18:43,830 --> 02:18:42,319
themselves but i think more and more

3659
02:18:44,790 --> 02:18:43,840
people and that's what's important it

3660
02:18:49,190 --> 02:18:44,800
really has to

3661
02:18:51,750 --> 02:18:49,200
reach a critical mass i think for

3662
02:18:52,950 --> 02:18:51,760
for the next step but each individual

3663
02:18:55,030 --> 02:18:52,960
and that's why i put

3664
02:18:57,190 --> 02:18:55,040
in the book you know 10 ways that you

3665
02:18:59,190 --> 02:18:57,200
can get closer to communicating

3666
02:19:00,790 --> 02:18:59,200
if you feel like connecting if you feel

3667
02:19:02,629 --> 02:19:00,800
that you want to connect

3668
02:19:05,030 --> 02:19:02,639
uh to those other intelligences the

3669
02:19:06,629 --> 02:19:05,040
native cultures do it all the time

3670
02:19:08,150 --> 02:19:06,639
as i mentioned the hopi have have

3671
02:19:11,429 --> 02:19:08,160
protocols to invite them in

3672
02:19:13,990 --> 02:19:11,439
and other cultures as well um so i think

3673
02:19:17,429 --> 02:19:14,000
we're getting closer and closer as a as

3674
02:19:19,349 --> 02:19:17,439
a civilization to be much more open

3675
02:19:21,589 --> 02:19:19,359
to those possibilities and the closer we

3676
02:19:22,389 --> 02:19:21,599
come to that the the more connectedness

3677
02:19:24,790 --> 02:19:22,399
we have

3678
02:19:26,790 --> 02:19:24,800
to these other possibilities and and yes

3679
02:19:30,309 --> 02:19:26,800
i i agree with you i think that

3680
02:19:33,429 --> 02:19:30,319
um because so much has changed in the

3681
02:19:36,230 --> 02:19:33,439
last couple years particularly

3682
02:19:36,870 --> 02:19:36,240
as far as being more open uh in the

3683
02:19:38,629 --> 02:19:36,880
media

3684
02:19:40,469 --> 02:19:38,639
i mean you still have the people that

3685
02:19:41,270 --> 02:19:40,479
giggle and it's more it tells more about

3686
02:19:44,389 --> 02:19:41,280
them

3687
02:19:46,469 --> 02:19:44,399
when when a host or an anchor

3688
02:19:48,630 --> 02:19:46,479
uh starts giggling or making a joke out

3689
02:19:51,270 --> 02:19:48,640
of it it tells more about them

3690
02:19:52,790 --> 02:19:51,280
than it does about the the data um but i

3691
02:19:54,870 --> 02:19:52,800
think more and more people are looking

3692
02:19:57,429 --> 02:19:54,880
at the data and also

3693
02:19:58,790 --> 02:19:57,439
in 97 people have asked me this too why

3694
02:20:01,030 --> 02:19:58,800
weren't there more pictures

3695
02:20:01,990 --> 02:20:01,040
well we had those big clunky phones that

3696
02:20:04,230 --> 02:20:02,000
did not have cameras

3697
02:20:06,309 --> 02:20:04,240
in them okay and who carries around a

3698
02:20:07,830 --> 02:20:06,319
camera yes several people did

3699
02:20:10,070 --> 02:20:07,840
because the hellbop comment was out

3700
02:20:11,990 --> 02:20:10,080
there very clear but when they tried to

3701
02:20:13,510 --> 02:20:12,000
take pictures of these massive crafts

3702
02:20:15,510 --> 02:20:13,520
that blocked out the stars

3703
02:20:16,630 --> 02:20:15,520
the pictures turned out black so we were

3704
02:20:19,910 --> 02:20:16,640
lucky that we did

3705
02:20:23,670 --> 02:20:19,920
have the videos that we did have but

3706
02:20:25,750 --> 02:20:23,680
be that as it may now we have not only

3707
02:20:27,190 --> 02:20:25,760
cameras in our phones and everybody's

3708
02:20:28,710 --> 02:20:27,200
walking around with them and there's

3709
02:20:30,790 --> 02:20:28,720
they couldn't keep it from us anymore

3710
02:20:32,870 --> 02:20:30,800
there's too many people seeing things

3711
02:20:34,309 --> 02:20:32,880
and documenting them in real time and by

3712
02:20:37,270 --> 02:20:34,319
the way the phoenix slate's

3713
02:20:38,710 --> 02:20:37,280
mass sighting was the first chat room

3714
02:20:41,190 --> 02:20:38,720
that they ever had

3715
02:20:43,030 --> 02:20:41,200
on the internet and now forget about it

3716
02:20:44,309 --> 02:20:43,040
we know how many chat rooms there are

3717
02:20:46,230 --> 02:20:44,319
and podcasts and

3718
02:20:47,349 --> 02:20:46,240
it's really exploding which is great i

3719
02:20:50,389 --> 02:20:47,359
mean people are

3720
02:20:52,309 --> 02:20:50,399
are are really evolving and and our

3721
02:20:54,950 --> 02:20:52,319
consciousness is evolving as well

3722
02:20:55,590 --> 02:20:54,960
and i think we're we're evolving towards

3723
02:20:57,750 --> 02:20:55,600
um

3724
02:20:59,270 --> 02:20:57,760
not only disclosure now which is bigger

3725
02:21:01,670 --> 02:20:59,280
than ever don't you think

3726
02:21:03,429 --> 02:21:01,680
but we're also evolving towards being

3727
02:21:05,270 --> 02:21:03,439
ready to accept the fact

3728
02:21:07,670 --> 02:21:05,280
that we're not alone in the universe now

3729
02:21:08,870 --> 02:21:07,680
probably the heaviest subject of all the

3730
02:21:12,070 --> 02:21:08,880
most complex

3731
02:21:15,270 --> 02:21:12,080
uh i want to wrap up tonight with

3732
02:21:17,110 --> 02:21:15,280
and it is the medical side and the

3733
02:21:20,710 --> 02:21:17,120
science side

3734
02:21:24,070 --> 02:21:20,720
um figuring out what what consciousness

3735
02:21:26,710 --> 02:21:24,080
actually is are we getting closer

3736
02:21:30,710 --> 02:21:26,720
to mapping out not only that part of our

3737
02:21:33,030 --> 02:21:30,720
brain but finding out who we are

3738
02:21:35,510 --> 02:21:33,040
oh that is such a profound question it

3739
02:21:37,429 --> 02:21:35,520
would take old other show but certainly

3740
02:21:39,990 --> 02:21:37,439
our consciousness and that that's why

3741
02:21:42,550 --> 02:21:40,000
the phoenix flights is so

3742
02:21:43,270 --> 02:21:42,560
poignant and powerful in and of itself

3743
02:21:45,910 --> 02:21:43,280
because

3744
02:21:46,790 --> 02:21:45,920
they tapped whoever did this whoever did

3745
02:21:49,349 --> 02:21:46,800
this

3746
02:21:50,309 --> 02:21:49,359
tapped into our consciousness and really

3747
02:21:54,230 --> 02:21:50,319
did touch

3748
02:21:57,990 --> 02:21:54,240
one person at a time and woke them up um

3749
02:21:59,030 --> 02:21:58,000
to to the reality and um yes i mean our

3750
02:22:02,150 --> 02:21:59,040
consciousness

3751
02:22:03,830 --> 02:22:02,160
uh and and that goes for um the

3752
02:22:06,070 --> 02:22:03,840
possibility that we do go on

3753
02:22:07,990 --> 02:22:06,080
after we pass that's a whole other issue

3754
02:22:11,030 --> 02:22:08,000
that i talk about in the book

3755
02:22:13,349 --> 02:22:11,040
and actually my older son who uh

3756
02:22:15,349 --> 02:22:13,359
our older son who was an attorney um was

3757
02:22:17,750 --> 02:22:15,359
the one person in the family that

3758
02:22:18,790 --> 02:22:17,760
um you know said mom you better not come

3759
02:22:20,469 --> 02:22:18,800
forward they're gonna find out it's

3760
02:22:23,830 --> 02:22:20,479
military and it'll look like an idiot

3761
02:22:25,910 --> 02:22:23,840
right until this happened and he

3762
02:22:27,510 --> 02:22:25,920
actually took a picture and i share it

3763
02:22:30,389 --> 02:22:27,520
in the latest edition of the book and i

3764
02:22:32,230 --> 02:22:30,399
and i um urge people to get the ebook

3765
02:22:33,670 --> 02:22:32,240
because it has colored pictures and live

3766
02:22:35,670 --> 02:22:33,680
links so they can explore

3767
02:22:37,990 --> 02:22:35,680
other things that they wish but it also

3768
02:22:41,110 --> 02:22:38,000
has a colored picture of uh that my

3769
02:22:43,510 --> 02:22:41,120
son took okay of and i

3770
02:22:45,190 --> 02:22:43,520
i don't want to ruin it for people but

3771
02:22:47,670 --> 02:22:45,200
he took a picture

3772
02:22:49,830 --> 02:22:47,680
where my mom who was extremely close to

3773
02:22:52,950 --> 02:22:49,840
him

3774
02:22:54,950 --> 02:22:52,960
is in the picture 10 years after she

3775
02:22:58,150 --> 02:22:54,960
passed

3776
02:23:00,870 --> 02:22:58,160
and this has been analyzed up to us

3777
02:23:01,670 --> 02:23:00,880
as well as my other photographs but this

3778
02:23:04,070 --> 02:23:01,680
picture

3779
02:23:05,510 --> 02:23:04,080
did it for me because i know that she

3780
02:23:08,469 --> 02:23:05,520
would come through

3781
02:23:09,190 --> 02:23:08,479
not only to let him know that she's with

3782
02:23:12,309 --> 02:23:09,200
him

3783
02:23:13,910 --> 02:23:12,319
but also to tell me in her own way to

3784
02:23:17,030 --> 02:23:13,920
get off my butt and do this

3785
02:23:18,230 --> 02:23:17,040
this is real and that one picture did it

3786
02:23:20,150 --> 02:23:18,240
for me

3787
02:23:21,349 --> 02:23:20,160
and i hope people will pick up the book

3788
02:23:24,550 --> 02:23:21,359
or get the ebook

3789
02:23:29,429 --> 02:23:24,560
and take a look at that picture

3790
02:23:32,469 --> 02:23:29,439
because um you know it cannot be denied

3791
02:23:34,070 --> 02:23:32,479
it's in the picture and

3792
02:23:36,309 --> 02:23:34,080
she came through 10 years after she

3793
02:23:39,510 --> 02:23:36,319
passed and to me that only

3794
02:23:40,469 --> 02:23:39,520
not only verifies that we do go on after

3795
02:23:42,550 --> 02:23:40,479
we pass

3796
02:23:44,230 --> 02:23:42,560
but i hope that people take stock in the

3797
02:23:46,309 --> 02:23:44,240
fact that what they do while they're

3798
02:23:48,070 --> 02:23:46,319
alive here on earth while they have this

3799
02:23:50,150 --> 02:23:48,080
precious existence

3800
02:23:51,990 --> 02:23:50,160
on earth as short as it is is so

3801
02:23:54,630 --> 02:23:52,000
important everything they do

3802
02:23:55,670 --> 02:23:54,640
the kindness and the wrath that they do

3803
02:23:58,309 --> 02:23:55,680
while they're here

3804
02:23:59,270 --> 02:23:58,319
will come back to them in their own

3805
02:24:01,910 --> 02:23:59,280
destiny

3806
02:24:02,790 --> 02:24:01,920
and maybe if people realize that that

3807
02:24:04,950 --> 02:24:02,800
they would be a lot

3808
02:24:05,990 --> 02:24:04,960
kinder and think about what they do in

3809
02:24:09,349 --> 02:24:06,000
this lifetime

3810
02:24:11,750 --> 02:24:09,359
before they do it now you've got uh uh

3811
02:24:12,630 --> 02:24:11,760
two editions of the book you've got the

3812
02:24:13,990 --> 02:24:12,640
new one

3813
02:24:16,309 --> 02:24:14,000
actually there's four editions of the

3814
02:24:19,670 --> 02:24:16,319
book the the latest one is the 20th

3815
02:24:22,790 --> 02:24:19,680
anniversary edition um and we also have

3816
02:24:25,429 --> 02:24:22,800
uh been updating the documentary um it's

3817
02:24:27,670 --> 02:24:25,439
offered free on on amazon prime now

3818
02:24:28,870 --> 02:24:27,680
um but we also have bonus features that

3819
02:24:30,950 --> 02:24:28,880
we've added to

3820
02:24:32,309 --> 02:24:30,960
uh through the years and that has

3821
02:24:35,670 --> 02:24:32,319
evolved as well and then

3822
02:24:36,230 --> 02:24:35,680
my passion of education um i've actually

3823
02:24:37,910 --> 02:24:36,240
tried to

3824
02:24:39,670 --> 02:24:37,920
to to get a curriculum into the

3825
02:24:40,389 --> 02:24:39,680
classroom which is extremely difficult

3826
02:24:41,910 --> 02:24:40,399
but what i

3827
02:24:43,910 --> 02:24:41,920
what i did with the data that we

3828
02:24:46,550 --> 02:24:43,920
collected over seven years was

3829
02:24:47,590 --> 02:24:46,560
compile a graphic novel activities

3830
02:24:49,830 --> 02:24:47,600
coloring book for

3831
02:24:51,910 --> 02:24:49,840
all ages which is phenomenal i have to

3832
02:24:53,590 --> 02:24:51,920
tell you it's really cool anybody that

3833
02:24:54,710 --> 02:24:53,600
sees it at the conferences and i can't

3834
02:24:55,990 --> 02:24:54,720
wait till we can get back to the

3835
02:24:58,550 --> 02:24:56,000
conference i know

3836
02:24:59,670 --> 02:24:58,560
together they won't let it out out of

3837
02:25:01,670 --> 02:24:59,680
their hand

3838
02:25:03,990 --> 02:25:01,680
they have to have it right then because

3839
02:25:06,070 --> 02:25:04,000
it has the story as it unfolds with the

3840
02:25:07,510 --> 02:25:06,080
phoenix lights as well as uh the ten

3841
02:25:10,790 --> 02:25:07,520
different craft to color

3842
02:25:12,870 --> 02:25:10,800
that were actually depicted um

3843
02:25:13,990 --> 02:25:12,880
in in size i mean we had a map maker

3844
02:25:17,030 --> 02:25:14,000
come to phoenix

3845
02:25:21,429 --> 02:25:17,040
uh david whitby who did a fabulous job

3846
02:25:24,630 --> 02:25:21,439
um of scaling them uh to to real size in

3847
02:25:27,429 --> 02:25:24,640
in the workbook as well as

3848
02:25:28,309 --> 02:25:27,439
80 crop circles to color and i tried to

3849
02:25:31,510 --> 02:25:28,319
pick the most

3850
02:25:33,270 --> 02:25:31,520
uh authentic as as so complex they

3851
02:25:36,790 --> 02:25:33,280
couldn't possibly have been done by

3852
02:25:37,590 --> 02:25:36,800
by human hands or feet as well as iconic

3853
02:25:40,150 --> 02:25:37,600
pictures

3854
02:25:41,590 --> 02:25:40,160
we have a plane that has foo fighters

3855
02:25:42,710 --> 02:25:41,600
which were identical we didn't even get

3856
02:25:45,670 --> 02:25:42,720
into the history

3857
02:25:47,190 --> 02:25:45,680
of these phenomena but i was told by dr

3858
02:25:50,469 --> 02:25:47,200
richard haynes who started

3859
02:25:53,270 --> 02:25:50,479
narcap for pilot reports that

3860
02:25:54,389 --> 02:25:53,280
he studied my data and said that the the

3861
02:25:58,070 --> 02:25:54,399
pictures that i took

3862
02:26:00,630 --> 02:25:58,080
of the close orbs in the rock solid uh

3863
02:26:02,550 --> 02:26:00,640
formation outside our window were very

3864
02:26:03,429 --> 02:26:02,560
similar to what they called foo fighters

3865
02:26:05,590 --> 02:26:03,439
during world war

3866
02:26:07,190 --> 02:26:05,600
ii each side but the other side had this

3867
02:26:08,630 --> 02:26:07,200
advanced spy technology and it wasn't

3868
02:26:10,710 --> 02:26:08,640
until after the war

3869
02:26:12,070 --> 02:26:10,720
when germany and japan and the united

3870
02:26:14,230 --> 02:26:12,080
states tried to study

3871
02:26:15,110 --> 02:26:14,240
the phenomena that nobody could find out

3872
02:26:17,670 --> 02:26:15,120
who did it

3873
02:26:18,790 --> 02:26:17,680
um and uh anyway there's there's so much

3874
02:26:19,590 --> 02:26:18,800
more in there and then we have a whole

3875
02:26:22,630 --> 02:26:19,600
activities

3876
02:26:24,230 --> 02:26:22,640
section that has word finders and just

3877
02:26:26,389 --> 02:26:24,240
sacred geometry and

3878
02:26:27,670 --> 02:26:26,399
and crossword puzzles for all ages

3879
02:26:30,309 --> 02:26:27,680
because i wanted it to be

3880
02:26:30,710 --> 02:26:30,319
something that is 160 pages in the color

3881
02:26:33,990 --> 02:26:30,720
one

3882
02:26:36,790 --> 02:26:34,000
and 150 pages of black and white edition

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so that teachers use it in the classroom

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parents

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can use it with their kids and

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grandparents certainly with their

3887
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with their grandkids and the people that

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actually look and you can look inside on

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amazon in the color

3890
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edition if you wanted to look at that at

3891
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some of the pages in there

3892
02:26:55,270 --> 02:26:53,280
um just love that so you know that's

3893
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something for everybody to enjoy

3894
02:27:00,309 --> 02:26:57,359
yeah and the website is such a complete

3895
02:27:02,070 --> 02:27:00,319
website phoenixlights.net and the links

3896
02:27:05,510 --> 02:27:02,080
are over at jimmychurchradio.com

3897
02:27:08,710 --> 02:27:05,520
lots of videos uh lots of

3898
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uh amazing photographs and

3899
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everything is available all editions of

3900
02:27:13,990 --> 02:27:11,840
the book

3901
02:27:15,110 --> 02:27:14,000
and of course the phoenix lights beyond

3902
02:27:18,870 --> 02:27:15,120
top secret

3903
02:27:21,910 --> 02:27:18,880
uh the dvd i just recently watched this

3904
02:27:24,150 --> 02:27:21,920
again i've seen it so many times but

3905
02:27:26,230 --> 02:27:24,160
every time i watch the documentary not

3906
02:27:28,710 --> 02:27:26,240
only do i learn something new

3907
02:27:30,110 --> 02:27:28,720
but i just i get a little bit angry i'm

3908
02:27:33,030 --> 02:27:30,120
like this is the most

3909
02:27:35,670 --> 02:27:33,040
extraordinary event like ever

3910
02:27:36,710 --> 02:27:35,680
right and it's uh it's so well done in

3911
02:27:39,030 --> 02:27:36,720
the documentary

3912
02:27:40,070 --> 02:27:39,040
and i've watched it so many times dr

3913
02:27:41,590 --> 02:27:40,080
lynn thank you

3914
02:27:43,190 --> 02:27:41,600
so much i don't know when we're gonna

3915
02:27:46,469 --> 02:27:43,200
see each other again

3916
02:27:48,630 --> 02:27:46,479
it's been too long already it has it has

3917
02:27:50,950 --> 02:27:48,640
well i hope soon and i hope that

3918
02:27:52,710 --> 02:27:50,960
everybody stays safe and well and and

3919
02:27:54,230 --> 02:27:52,720
keeps looking up

3920
02:27:56,469 --> 02:27:54,240
because i said that you got to keep an

3921
02:27:58,550 --> 02:27:56,479
eye out as well and have their camera

3922
02:28:00,230 --> 02:27:58,560
ready 35 millimeter and if you can get

3923
02:28:02,710 --> 02:28:00,240
infrared film that's even better

3924
02:28:04,790 --> 02:28:02,720
um the 35 millimeter is terrific for

3925
02:28:06,790 --> 02:28:04,800
analysis for anybody that's out there

3926
02:28:08,309 --> 02:28:06,800
uh that's interested because even though

3927
02:28:10,309 --> 02:28:08,319
digital is great

3928
02:28:12,950 --> 02:28:10,319
um you know the pixels break up and

3929
02:28:14,630 --> 02:28:12,960
stuff so 35 millimeter is terrific and

3930
02:28:16,230 --> 02:28:14,640
and i do hope people take a look at the

3931
02:28:16,790 --> 02:28:16,240
at the website i tried to get something

3932
02:28:19,030 --> 02:28:16,800
together

3933
02:28:19,910 --> 02:28:19,040
through the years that um you know

3934
02:28:23,590 --> 02:28:19,920
anybody can

3935
02:28:25,110 --> 02:28:23,600
take a peek at and learn and grow and uh

3936
02:28:27,030 --> 02:28:25,120
you know the data is there if you want

3937
02:28:29,270 --> 02:28:27,040
to look at it so i hope that people

3938
02:28:30,230 --> 02:28:29,280
will take the opportunity to do that and

3939
02:28:32,710 --> 02:28:30,240
and uh

3940
02:28:33,270 --> 02:28:32,720
you know and then and also i welcome

3941
02:28:35,830 --> 02:28:33,280
people

3942
02:28:37,830 --> 02:28:35,840
to get in touch with me as a physician

3943
02:28:39,750 --> 02:28:37,840
as a scientist i tried to be as

3944
02:28:41,270 --> 02:28:39,760
methodical as i could scientifically but

3945
02:28:44,309 --> 02:28:41,280
as a physician

3946
02:28:46,630 --> 02:28:44,319
i also know how important it is to share

3947
02:28:48,309 --> 02:28:46,640
because when somebody has a paranormal

3948
02:28:50,870 --> 02:28:48,319
experience even though it might be

3949
02:28:52,630 --> 02:28:50,880
explainable it's real to them and if

3950
02:28:55,030 --> 02:28:52,640
they don't share it festers

3951
02:28:56,710 --> 02:28:55,040
it's not healthy so i welcome people to

3952
02:28:58,150 --> 02:28:56,720
contact me through the website or

3953
02:29:00,950 --> 02:28:58,160
through the phoenix lights

3954
02:29:02,550 --> 02:29:00,960
network facebook page and and just

3955
02:29:04,550 --> 02:29:02,560
sharing with one person

3956
02:29:05,990 --> 02:29:04,560
it's so cathartic it's so healing in

3957
02:29:07,990 --> 02:29:06,000
fact just a couple weeks ago we just

3958
02:29:10,309 --> 02:29:08,000
posted it on the share page on

3959
02:29:11,190 --> 02:29:10,319
the phoenix lives network website i was

3960
02:29:13,510 --> 02:29:11,200
contacted

3961
02:29:14,230 --> 02:29:13,520
by the weather person at luke air force

3962
02:29:17,270 --> 02:29:14,240
base

3963
02:29:20,469 --> 02:29:17,280
she saw the mass and she waited till

3964
02:29:21,990 --> 02:29:20,479
a couple weeks ago to let me know until

3965
02:29:24,309 --> 02:29:22,000
people are still coming forward

3966
02:29:25,429 --> 02:29:24,319
which is really exciting and i really

3967
02:29:27,030 --> 02:29:25,439
appreciate the

3968
02:29:28,710 --> 02:29:27,040
the kind words about the documentary

3969
02:29:30,230 --> 02:29:28,720
because i've had many people tell me

3970
02:29:31,990 --> 02:29:30,240
that they've seen it multiple times and

3971
02:29:33,670 --> 02:29:32,000
each time they learn something new

3972
02:29:34,950 --> 02:29:33,680
which is what it's all about so that's

3973
02:29:36,790 --> 02:29:34,960
that's terrific and thank you for

3974
02:29:38,230 --> 02:29:36,800
letting me share with your audience i

3975
02:29:38,550 --> 02:29:38,240
hope they learned something new today

3976
02:29:40,230 --> 02:29:38,560
too

3977
02:29:42,230 --> 02:29:40,240
yeah i'm on the share page right now i

3978
02:29:44,469 --> 02:29:42,240
just watched the phoenix lights on prime

3979
02:29:46,070 --> 02:29:44,479
i was the official weather observer on

3980
02:29:48,710 --> 02:29:46,080
duty at luke air force base

3981
02:29:50,950 --> 02:29:48,720
that night and it's posted right there

3982
02:29:54,309 --> 02:29:50,960
at the phoenix lights.net

3983
02:29:55,990 --> 02:29:54,319
dr lynn thank you so much and be safe

3984
02:29:58,150 --> 02:29:56,000
you too and thank you so much for

3985
02:30:00,150 --> 02:29:58,160
letting me share and really for everyone

3986
02:30:03,429 --> 02:30:00,160
just keep looking up

3987
02:30:07,349 --> 02:30:03,439
dr dr linky todd thank you so much

3988
02:30:09,670 --> 02:30:07,359
it is the 24th anniversary this week

3989
02:30:11,590 --> 02:30:09,680
of the phoenix lights i am your host

3990
02:30:13,110 --> 02:30:11,600
jimmy church this is fade to black

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i'm going to take a quick break and when

3992
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i return i'll open up the phone lines

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[Music]

4074
02:34:24,389 --> 02:34:21,760
welcome back fade to black i am your

4075
02:34:26,950 --> 02:34:24,399
host jimmy church

4076
02:34:29,349 --> 02:34:26,960
i want to thank dr lin kitai coming in

4077
02:34:32,150 --> 02:34:29,359
this is the 24th anniversary of

4078
02:34:32,550 --> 02:34:32,160
the phoenix lights this week coming up

4079
02:34:40,070 --> 02:34:32,560
uh

4080
02:34:43,110 --> 02:34:40,080
it is it is for me

4081
02:34:45,270 --> 02:34:43,120
uh when i look at all of the cases um

4082
02:34:46,230 --> 02:34:45,280
and and think about how extraordinary

4083
02:34:49,830 --> 02:34:46,240
things are

4084
02:34:53,110 --> 02:34:49,840
the phoenix lights just stands out and

4085
02:34:56,389 --> 02:34:53,120
um uh i keep repeating to every

4086
02:34:59,429 --> 02:34:56,399
the one night that i could have been out

4087
02:35:02,710 --> 02:34:59,439
it's kind of happened to us uh twice but

4088
02:35:04,150 --> 02:35:02,720
um that one night in phoenix i i i

4089
02:35:07,910 --> 02:35:04,160
missed it i totally

4090
02:35:10,469 --> 02:35:07,920
missed it and um i can't believe

4091
02:35:12,710 --> 02:35:10,479
uh that not only that i missed it but

4092
02:35:16,150 --> 02:35:12,720
looking back at the frustration

4093
02:35:18,630 --> 02:35:16,160
uh that i had uh that night when i found

4094
02:35:21,110 --> 02:35:18,640
out that it went down the night before

4095
02:35:21,830 --> 02:35:21,120
uh i just and i was watching the the

4096
02:35:24,790 --> 02:35:21,840
video

4097
02:35:25,429 --> 02:35:24,800
um over and over again and and jumped on

4098
02:35:27,349 --> 02:35:25,439
the net

4099
02:35:29,990 --> 02:35:27,359
and and started reading about i i just

4100
02:35:33,349 --> 02:35:30,000
couldn't believe that i had missed it

4101
02:35:36,550 --> 02:35:33,359
there is um a few other things

4102
02:35:37,910 --> 02:35:36,560
for me that that over the years with the

4103
02:35:41,270 --> 02:35:37,920
phoenix lights

4104
02:35:44,309 --> 02:35:41,280
where this this mounting

4105
02:35:44,790 --> 02:35:44,319
uh evidence and eyewitness testimony uh

4106
02:35:53,590 --> 02:35:44,800
and

4107
02:35:56,870 --> 02:35:53,600
myself

4108
02:35:58,550 --> 02:35:56,880
why phoenix why was it phoenix

4109
02:36:01,110 --> 02:35:58,560
hale bop was right in the middle of all

4110
02:36:03,429 --> 02:36:01,120
of this by the way uh for sure

4111
02:36:07,030 --> 02:36:03,439
and there was a lot of fascination uh

4112
02:36:08,870 --> 02:36:07,040
with going out and looking to the skies

4113
02:36:11,590 --> 02:36:08,880
so that was happening at the same time

4114
02:36:15,190 --> 02:36:11,600
but why phoenix

4115
02:36:17,270 --> 02:36:15,200
and uh not only phoenix but it there was

4116
02:36:18,469 --> 02:36:17,280
uh there was new mexico there was las

4117
02:36:20,950 --> 02:36:18,479
vegas uh

4118
02:36:21,510 --> 02:36:20,960
phoenix and of course heading down south

4119
02:36:24,710 --> 02:36:21,520
over

4120
02:36:25,830 --> 02:36:24,720
uh tucson and it also with the

4121
02:36:29,750 --> 02:36:25,840
eyewitnesses

4122
02:36:31,590 --> 02:36:29,760
it appeared to uh

4123
02:36:33,190 --> 02:36:31,600
one of the objects or maybe it was the

4124
02:36:35,910 --> 02:36:33,200
main object

4125
02:36:37,429 --> 02:36:35,920
followed the freeway there was a lot of

4126
02:36:40,550 --> 02:36:37,439
sightings that were happening

4127
02:36:42,230 --> 02:36:40,560
on the i-10 which and i was talking

4128
02:36:44,389 --> 02:36:42,240
about this last week

4129
02:36:45,349 --> 02:36:44,399
the i-10 goes through phoenix and then

4130
02:36:48,790 --> 02:36:45,359
turns south

4131
02:36:51,349 --> 02:36:48,800
and and goes down to tucson and

4132
02:36:53,910 --> 02:36:51,359
my memory serves uh with the

4133
02:36:57,590 --> 02:36:53,920
disappearing video

4134
02:37:00,870 --> 02:36:57,600
of the uh it was a definite

4135
02:37:04,870 --> 02:37:00,880
v uh shape uh and

4136
02:37:05,830 --> 02:37:04,880
it was um shot with the video camera

4137
02:37:09,190 --> 02:37:05,840
obviously

4138
02:37:11,510 --> 02:37:09,200
but as it was um

4139
02:37:13,270 --> 02:37:11,520
past it was fun you could see the stars

4140
02:37:16,830 --> 02:37:13,280
in the background

4141
02:37:20,309 --> 02:37:16,840
you know so whoever shot the video

4142
02:37:23,510 --> 02:37:20,319
um uh was tracking

4143
02:37:25,670 --> 02:37:23,520
the the object and you could see the

4144
02:37:28,550 --> 02:37:25,680
stars passing in the background it was

4145
02:37:31,910 --> 02:37:28,560
an extraordinary extraordinary

4146
02:37:33,429 --> 02:37:31,920
uh video to have surfaced and it just

4147
02:37:36,469 --> 02:37:33,439
disappeared

4148
02:37:38,389 --> 02:37:36,479
i cannot find that video anywhere on the

4149
02:37:39,670 --> 02:37:38,399
net i've gone back and searched for it

4150
02:37:43,750 --> 02:37:39,680
so many times and

4151
02:37:45,990 --> 02:37:43,760
the video that i saw um

4152
02:37:47,590 --> 02:37:46,000
i've seen other videos and they're good

4153
02:37:51,110 --> 02:37:47,600
but the video that i saw

4154
02:37:55,349 --> 02:37:51,120
no it's gone it's gone from the net and

4155
02:37:59,429 --> 02:37:55,359
um and i remember if anybody out there

4156
02:38:03,190 --> 02:37:59,439
follows this um there were

4157
02:38:06,070 --> 02:38:03,200
comments made on the net um

4158
02:38:06,630 --> 02:38:06,080
where that video sat that the video was

4159
02:38:08,550 --> 02:38:06,640
scrubbed

4160
02:38:09,990 --> 02:38:08,560
that it was pulled down and they don't

4161
02:38:10,630 --> 02:38:10,000
know why there was a lot of chatter

4162
02:38:14,230 --> 02:38:10,640
going on

4163
02:38:15,190 --> 02:38:14,240
around that video i don't know who shot

4164
02:38:26,870 --> 02:38:15,200
it

4165
02:38:29,910 --> 02:38:26,880
so i've got to go back to

4166
02:38:30,870 --> 02:38:29,920
this is probably around the year 2000 or

4167
02:38:34,070 --> 02:38:30,880
so

4168
02:38:37,190 --> 02:38:34,080
that i saw the video 1999

4169
02:38:40,150 --> 02:38:37,200
2000 but i did on this

4170
02:38:40,630 --> 02:38:40,160
particular website where it was posted

4171
02:38:44,550 --> 02:38:40,640
um

4172
02:38:48,630 --> 02:38:44,560
over

4173
02:38:51,750 --> 02:38:48,640
comments underneath

4174
02:38:53,030 --> 02:38:51,760
uh uh in in a forum section it was an

4175
02:38:56,469 --> 02:38:53,040
incredible video

4176
02:38:58,870 --> 02:38:56,479
gone gone and

4177
02:39:00,790 --> 02:38:58,880
i don't know if it if if it's out there

4178
02:39:03,590 --> 02:39:00,800
if anybody managed to copy this

4179
02:39:06,950 --> 02:39:03,600
particular video that i'm talking about

4180
02:39:09,990 --> 02:39:06,960
um and it was shot off of the 10

4181
02:39:12,550 --> 02:39:10,000
freeway that night march 13th

4182
02:39:14,150 --> 02:39:12,560
and uh why why would they pull the video

4183
02:39:17,270 --> 02:39:14,160
down

4184
02:39:20,550 --> 02:39:17,280
you know and it was

4185
02:39:24,150 --> 02:39:20,560
um i think it was five lights in a

4186
02:39:27,590 --> 02:39:24,160
v-shape that's that's my memory

4187
02:39:30,870 --> 02:39:27,600
and it was big because it was up

4188
02:39:32,790 --> 02:39:30,880
in this not in the stars but it was at

4189
02:39:33,990 --> 02:39:32,800
altitude because you could tell from the

4190
02:39:37,349 --> 02:39:34,000
video

4191
02:39:39,590 --> 02:39:37,359
um that it was high up this wasn't close

4192
02:39:42,630 --> 02:39:39,600
that the video was zoomed in

4193
02:39:45,429 --> 02:39:42,640
uh to capture this but uh

4194
02:39:46,070 --> 02:39:45,439
there you go why just uh just an

4195
02:39:50,550 --> 02:39:46,080
incredible

4196
02:39:55,190 --> 02:39:50,560
phoenix

4197
02:39:57,030 --> 02:39:55,200
that i didn't bring up with lynn tonight

4198
02:40:00,469 --> 02:39:57,040
i'll get to uh calls in in just

4199
02:40:03,190 --> 02:40:00,479
a second um that uh

4200
02:40:04,790 --> 02:40:03,200
and i watched the debunking videos and

4201
02:40:07,429 --> 02:40:04,800
the flares and

4202
02:40:09,429 --> 02:40:07,439
uh that were falling down behind the

4203
02:40:12,550 --> 02:40:09,439
mountain and the mountain was

4204
02:40:15,830 --> 02:40:12,560
silhouetted and then overlaid and that

4205
02:40:18,870 --> 02:40:15,840
um the problem that i have with

4206
02:40:22,870 --> 02:40:18,880
all of those videos and look i would uh

4207
02:40:29,590 --> 02:40:26,950
let's i i don't see the smoke in

4208
02:40:31,510 --> 02:40:29,600
in the from the flares i don't see that

4209
02:40:35,750 --> 02:40:31,520
in any of the videos

4210
02:40:38,870 --> 02:40:35,760
and i have an issue with that

4211
02:40:41,190 --> 02:40:38,880
also the the the

4212
02:40:43,349 --> 02:40:41,200
the if they were flares they managed to

4213
02:40:44,790 --> 02:40:43,359
stay in the same spot in the sky for a

4214
02:40:48,469 --> 02:40:44,800
very long time

4215
02:40:51,349 --> 02:40:48,479
flares eventually uh fall to the ground

4216
02:40:52,230 --> 02:40:51,359
and and burn out um so i have issues

4217
02:40:56,150 --> 02:40:52,240
with that

4218
02:40:58,550 --> 02:40:56,160
but let's just say

4219
02:40:59,269 --> 02:40:58,560
all right let's go on the uh skeptic

4220
02:41:03,030 --> 02:40:59,279
side of this

4221
02:41:05,030 --> 02:41:03,040
let's say that the flares

4222
02:41:06,150 --> 02:41:05,040
were real that those were flares that

4223
02:41:08,870 --> 02:41:06,160
was uh

4224
02:41:11,110 --> 02:41:08,880
whoever national guard they were doing

4225
02:41:12,150 --> 02:41:11,120
military exercises that night and those

4226
02:41:16,070 --> 02:41:12,160
were flares

4227
02:41:19,269 --> 02:41:16,080
that doesn't explain everything else

4228
02:41:22,550 --> 02:41:19,279
that happened the flares

4229
02:41:25,790 --> 02:41:22,560
if those were flares and the flares are

4230
02:41:29,269 --> 02:41:25,800
the backdrop it doesn't change

4231
02:41:32,630 --> 02:41:29,279
everything else including

4232
02:41:35,830 --> 02:41:32,640
five symmington and what him and his son

4233
02:41:37,750 --> 02:41:35,840
witnessed and witness after witness

4234
02:41:40,790 --> 02:41:37,760
after witness after witness

4235
02:41:43,830 --> 02:41:40,800
um uh described the same

4236
02:41:47,590 --> 02:41:43,840
exact thing mile

4237
02:41:50,870 --> 02:41:47,600
wide v-shaped uh large

4238
02:41:53,750 --> 02:41:50,880
lights underneath that were part of

4239
02:41:54,710 --> 02:41:53,760
the structure and that's what fife

4240
02:41:57,750 --> 02:41:54,720
symmington

4241
02:41:59,590 --> 02:41:57,760
described as well so that

4242
02:42:02,150 --> 02:41:59,600
the flares have nothing to do with the

4243
02:42:04,790 --> 02:42:02,160
video that i saw that was filmed over

4244
02:42:07,190 --> 02:42:04,800
uh the 10 freeway between phoenix and

4245
02:42:09,110 --> 02:42:07,200
tucson that has nothing to do with that

4246
02:42:10,950 --> 02:42:09,120
nothing to do with everything else that

4247
02:42:13,269 --> 02:42:10,960
was witnessed inside it

4248
02:42:14,230 --> 02:42:13,279
including kurt russell including over

4249
02:42:17,349 --> 02:42:14,240
las vegas

4250
02:42:20,710 --> 02:42:17,359
new mexico um all over

4251
02:42:23,110 --> 02:42:20,720
uh the state of arizona from

4252
02:42:24,710 --> 02:42:23,120
the north to the south the flares had

4253
02:42:29,030 --> 02:42:24,720
nothing to do with that

4254
02:42:33,110 --> 02:42:29,040
all right and so if that is the case

4255
02:42:35,670 --> 02:42:33,120
were the flares part of the event

4256
02:42:38,230 --> 02:42:35,680
right was luke air force base on alert

4257
02:42:39,110 --> 02:42:38,240
as has been reported many times since

4258
02:42:42,150 --> 02:42:39,120
then

4259
02:42:43,750 --> 02:42:42,160
right was that why the flares were

4260
02:42:47,030 --> 02:42:43,760
illuminated

4261
02:42:48,710 --> 02:42:47,040
right to light up that craft right was

4262
02:42:51,990 --> 02:42:48,720
that was that part of the same event

4263
02:42:55,590 --> 02:42:52,000
ah it's uh the phoenix lights

4264
02:42:58,469 --> 02:42:55,600
absolutely crazy crazy crazy

4265
02:42:59,269 --> 02:42:58,479
stuff um i still can't explain it and i

4266
02:43:02,870 --> 02:42:59,279
was there

4267
02:43:06,550 --> 02:43:02,880
i was actually there mind-blowing

4268
02:43:08,790 --> 02:43:06,560
all right uh let's see

4269
02:43:10,070 --> 02:43:08,800
all right all right let's go let's go to

4270
02:43:12,630 --> 02:43:10,080
the phones hi you're live on fade to

4271
02:43:16,389 --> 02:43:12,640
black who's calling

4272
02:43:20,389 --> 02:43:16,399
oh wait oops let me go back to my

4273
02:43:21,269 --> 02:43:20,399
software oh man i just hung up on

4274
02:43:24,469 --> 02:43:21,279
somebody

4275
02:43:26,230 --> 02:43:24,479
that

4276
02:43:28,870 --> 02:43:26,240
so let's go to the next caller hi you're

4277
02:43:30,389 --> 02:43:28,880
live on fade to black who's calling

4278
02:43:31,990 --> 02:43:30,399
hi jim you step did you did you

4279
02:43:36,070 --> 02:43:32,000
disconnect someone before me

4280
02:43:37,830 --> 02:43:36,080
yep oh i'm sorry whoever that was

4281
02:43:39,269 --> 02:43:37,840
i can just connect to you now and go to

4282
02:43:41,190 --> 02:43:39,279
the next caller

4283
02:43:42,710 --> 02:43:41,200
now you know you don't really want to do

4284
02:43:46,710 --> 02:43:42,720
that okay i

4285
02:43:50,070 --> 02:43:46,720
i i certainly can i have the power

4286
02:43:52,630 --> 02:43:50,080
of the mouse i love being the boss

4287
02:43:53,269 --> 02:43:52,640
i love being there i know you have all

4288
02:43:55,110 --> 02:43:53,279
the power

4289
02:43:56,870 --> 02:43:55,120
you've got a lot of power in that mouse

4290
02:43:59,349 --> 02:43:56,880
including muting people

4291
02:44:00,150 --> 02:43:59,359
i do it all the time do it i think i've

4292
02:44:04,070 --> 02:44:00,160
been muted

4293
02:44:06,950 --> 02:44:04,080
muted what did i do

4294
02:44:07,830 --> 02:44:06,960
i hear your voice on twitter no on

4295
02:44:11,429 --> 02:44:07,840
twitter huh

4296
02:44:14,550 --> 02:44:11,439
on twitter oh i don't i i have no idea

4297
02:44:16,550 --> 02:44:14,560
what did i do what did i do okay

4298
02:44:18,710 --> 02:44:16,560
you don't you don't have to admit to it

4299
02:44:21,269 --> 02:44:18,720
if it's true

4300
02:44:23,269 --> 02:44:21,279
clean slate i promise best behavior i

4301
02:44:23,990 --> 02:44:23,279
have no idea what you're referring to

4302
02:44:27,349 --> 02:44:24,000
deb but

4303
02:44:30,790 --> 02:44:27,359
but but please note i have

4304
02:44:33,429 --> 02:44:30,800
i have email and things and people

4305
02:44:35,349 --> 02:44:33,439
all the time going dude uh how come

4306
02:44:37,990 --> 02:44:35,359
you're not responding to me

4307
02:44:38,870 --> 02:44:38,000
how come you're not doing that do you

4308
02:44:42,710 --> 02:44:38,880
have any

4309
02:44:47,510 --> 02:44:45,030
please excuse me for saying that if i

4310
02:44:48,950 --> 02:44:47,520
spent my day on social media i wouldn't

4311
02:44:51,750 --> 02:44:48,960
get any work done

4312
02:44:52,710 --> 02:44:51,760
there would be no show there would be no

4313
02:44:55,030 --> 02:44:52,720
i believe you

4314
02:44:56,309 --> 02:44:55,040
i have one of the one of the leading

4315
02:45:03,349 --> 02:44:56,319
researchers

4316
02:45:06,630 --> 02:45:03,359
the country okay just sent me

4317
02:45:08,469 --> 02:45:06,640
this message okay

4318
02:45:09,990 --> 02:45:08,479
hey jimmy i already know this sentence i

4319
02:45:11,670 --> 02:45:10,000
already know the sentence

4320
02:45:13,750 --> 02:45:11,680
no you don't no you don't no you're not

4321
02:45:14,309 --> 02:45:13,760
i guarantee it but anyway it says hey

4322
02:45:17,670 --> 02:45:14,319
jimmy

4323
02:45:19,670 --> 02:45:17,680
are we okay man because i'm not

4324
02:45:21,510 --> 02:45:19,680
i'm not responding i i just don't

4325
02:45:23,590 --> 02:45:21,520
respond i don't have time

4326
02:45:25,510 --> 02:45:23,600
and everybody else spends time on social

4327
02:45:28,150 --> 02:45:25,520
media i don't i don't i don't

4328
02:45:29,670 --> 02:45:28,160
but literally that that answers the

4329
02:45:31,269 --> 02:45:29,680
question i was about to ask you then

4330
02:45:32,710 --> 02:45:31,279
because remember last time we talked i

4331
02:45:34,070 --> 02:45:32,720
didn't get through last fade or night

4332
02:45:35,750 --> 02:45:34,080
but i talked to you the night before and

4333
02:45:38,870 --> 02:45:35,760
i told you i was going to send you

4334
02:45:40,950 --> 02:45:38,880
a 20-minute clip on a zuni doll

4335
02:45:41,990 --> 02:45:40,960
episode from years ago and you said yeah

4336
02:45:43,510 --> 02:45:42,000
i'll check it out

4337
02:45:45,269 --> 02:45:43,520
so i'm guessing you probably didn't

4338
02:45:45,750 --> 02:45:45,279
watch it because you don't have time for

4339
02:45:48,150 --> 02:45:45,760
that

4340
02:45:50,389 --> 02:45:48,160
no i didn't so what's the what's the

4341
02:45:52,950 --> 02:45:50,399
clip

4342
02:45:55,349 --> 02:45:52,960
okay there was this horror thing years

4343
02:45:58,630 --> 02:45:55,359
ago in the 70s called trilogy of terror

4344
02:46:00,870 --> 02:45:58,640
with karen black we did three episodes

4345
02:46:02,550 --> 02:46:00,880
i've seen them all many many many many

4346
02:46:05,269 --> 02:46:02,560
times that made me

4347
02:46:06,790 --> 02:46:05,279
think yes that's what i sent you just

4348
02:46:07,510 --> 02:46:06,800
but not all three episodes just the

4349
02:46:10,469 --> 02:46:07,520
zoony doll

4350
02:46:11,670 --> 02:46:10,479
yeah yeah yeah that that right there

4351
02:46:14,469 --> 02:46:11,680
okay there was

4352
02:46:15,190 --> 02:46:14,479
she wasn't the only one by the way but

4353
02:46:17,750 --> 02:46:15,200
that

4354
02:46:18,630 --> 02:46:17,760
right there made me a karen black fan

4355
02:46:21,830 --> 02:46:18,640
for life

4356
02:46:24,469 --> 02:46:21,840
okay number one number two

4357
02:46:26,150 --> 02:46:24,479
there was a movie that came out at the

4358
02:46:29,670 --> 02:46:26,160
same time

4359
02:46:30,950 --> 02:46:29,680
with uh it was called don't be afraid of

4360
02:46:34,150 --> 02:46:30,960
the dark

4361
02:46:38,389 --> 02:46:34,160
yes with uh oh my god what's her name uh

4362
02:46:38,950 --> 02:46:38,399
karen darby kim darby oh god that was

4363
02:46:42,550 --> 02:46:38,960
scary

4364
02:46:45,110 --> 02:46:42,560
and and so both of those

4365
02:46:45,830 --> 02:46:45,120
um especially at that age i was like 10

4366
02:46:48,870 --> 02:46:45,840
years old

4367
02:46:50,309 --> 02:46:48,880
uh when those came out but i got i used

4368
02:46:53,429 --> 02:46:50,319
to get karen black and

4369
02:46:56,790 --> 02:46:53,439
and kim darby confused because

4370
02:46:59,990 --> 02:46:56,800
both uh both

4371
02:47:03,030 --> 02:47:00,000
stories followed a similar

4372
02:47:05,269 --> 02:47:03,040
idea or mindset right and

4373
02:47:06,070 --> 02:47:05,279
so i got the two of them confused for

4374
02:47:08,710 --> 02:47:06,080
years i thought

4375
02:47:10,630 --> 02:47:08,720
kim darby was karen black and i thought

4376
02:47:13,990 --> 02:47:10,640
karen black was kim darby

4377
02:47:14,790 --> 02:47:14,000
but and if you haven't seen it so uh the

4378
02:47:17,910 --> 02:47:14,800
karen black

4379
02:47:20,630 --> 02:47:17,920
episode is extraordinarily cool and

4380
02:47:22,469 --> 02:47:20,640
and scary um and i tweeted it out for

4381
02:47:25,110 --> 02:47:22,479
the fate or not so now that you've said

4382
02:47:26,550 --> 02:47:25,120
watch it maybe they will well and also

4383
02:47:31,110 --> 02:47:26,560
go back and find

4384
02:47:33,429 --> 02:47:31,120
uh don't be afraid of the dark with kim

4385
02:47:35,190 --> 02:47:33,439
that messed with me man that messed with

4386
02:47:36,710 --> 02:47:35,200
me yeah

4387
02:47:38,230 --> 02:47:36,720
i watched that last year and i had to

4388
02:47:39,990 --> 02:47:38,240
turn the lights on i couldn't watch it

4389
02:47:41,429 --> 02:47:40,000
without the lights on it's for the you

4390
02:47:43,429 --> 02:47:41,439
know what out of me the crap

4391
02:47:44,550 --> 02:47:43,439
yeah now tell me about that and you know

4392
02:47:46,070 --> 02:47:44,560
back then we didn't have all these

4393
02:47:46,950 --> 02:47:46,080
special effects so you look at those

4394
02:47:49,750 --> 02:47:46,960
creatures

4395
02:47:51,429 --> 02:47:49,760
and that zuni doll what do you think how

4396
02:47:53,349 --> 02:47:51,439
did they do that i don't i don't i

4397
02:47:54,710 --> 02:47:53,359
you know i don't know i don't know and

4398
02:47:58,150 --> 02:47:54,720
it was uh

4399
02:48:00,630 --> 02:47:58,160
um uh the same uh

4400
02:48:02,870 --> 02:48:00,640
uh the same thing that i i talk about

4401
02:48:06,710 --> 02:48:02,880
this over and over again

4402
02:48:10,790 --> 02:48:06,720
cgi today um

4403
02:48:11,349 --> 02:48:10,800
is cool and yes it's gotten to the point

4404
02:48:14,630 --> 02:48:11,359
where

4405
02:48:15,349 --> 02:48:14,640
it's starting to fool our eye right it's

4406
02:48:18,469 --> 02:48:15,359
done that

4407
02:48:20,630 --> 02:48:18,479
well but i don't need that

4408
02:48:21,670 --> 02:48:20,640
i don't need that to tell the story and

4409
02:48:24,389 --> 02:48:21,680
if you go back

4410
02:48:25,990 --> 02:48:24,399
then where they're they are being very

4411
02:48:30,230 --> 02:48:26,000
creative with uh

4412
02:48:34,150 --> 02:48:30,240
uh stop animation um puppets uh

4413
02:48:36,550 --> 02:48:34,160
things costumes makeup um

4414
02:48:37,510 --> 02:48:36,560
lighting effects and things where they

4415
02:48:41,110 --> 02:48:37,520
they captured it

4416
02:48:45,110 --> 02:48:41,120
on film i just need that if the story

4417
02:48:48,230 --> 02:48:45,120
is good then my mind will take over

4418
02:48:51,510 --> 02:48:48,240
right and and that that is i

4419
02:48:54,150 --> 02:48:51,520
you know you go back i'm seriously yeah

4420
02:48:55,750 --> 02:48:54,160
that doll well the doll in both of them

4421
02:48:59,510 --> 02:48:55,760
because they're both based on dolls

4422
02:49:01,990 --> 02:48:59,520
actually it's kind of funny um

4423
02:49:02,790 --> 02:49:02,000
it's just it's just a puppet that's all

4424
02:49:06,230 --> 02:49:02,800
it is

4425
02:49:09,269 --> 02:49:06,240
you know do you care do you care no

4426
02:49:13,190 --> 02:49:09,279
it's the story it's the story

4427
02:49:16,389 --> 02:49:13,200
and and i i went back um i just

4428
02:49:18,230 --> 02:49:16,399
recently um check this out

4429
02:49:19,750 --> 02:49:18,240
all right i'm gonna i've got other calls

4430
02:49:20,870 --> 02:49:19,760
on hold so i'm gonna have to run here in

4431
02:49:24,070 --> 02:49:20,880
a second but

4432
02:49:27,030 --> 02:49:24,080
um i just recently uh

4433
02:49:29,030 --> 02:49:27,040
went back and watched i'm in the middle

4434
02:49:30,630 --> 02:49:29,040
there's a 20 episode so i'm at like

4435
02:49:34,469 --> 02:49:30,640
episode 12 13

4436
02:49:37,670 --> 02:49:34,479
of uh the night stalker right coal shack

4437
02:49:41,670 --> 02:49:37,680
and and go back and

4438
02:49:44,389 --> 02:49:41,680
watch that you suddenly realize

4439
02:49:45,030 --> 02:49:44,399
where chris carter got the x-files from

4440
02:49:48,070 --> 02:49:45,040
because

4441
02:49:49,429 --> 02:49:48,080
this is the this is the x-files it's the

4442
02:49:52,790 --> 02:49:49,439
x-files

4443
02:49:56,230 --> 02:49:52,800
all

4444
02:49:59,510 --> 02:49:56,240
steal um

4445
02:50:01,510 --> 02:49:59,520
but yeah go back and watch that it's the

4446
02:50:08,550 --> 02:50:01,520
story

4447
02:50:09,510 --> 02:50:08,560
with that it's it they don't show

4448
02:50:12,950 --> 02:50:09,520
anything

4449
02:50:15,429 --> 02:50:12,960
they do a jack the ripper episode yeah

4450
02:50:16,870 --> 02:50:15,439
you don't even see jack the ripper and

4451
02:50:19,510 --> 02:50:16,880
you're terrified

4452
02:50:20,830 --> 02:50:19,520
they do what you look like they do a ufo

4453
02:50:24,790 --> 02:50:20,840
episode

4454
02:50:28,309 --> 02:50:24,800
right you don't see any

4455
02:50:30,309 --> 02:50:28,319
aliens and it's an extraordinary

4456
02:50:32,950 --> 02:50:30,319
it's it's it's telling the story how

4457
02:50:35,830 --> 02:50:32,960
they crafted it the vampire episode

4458
02:50:37,590 --> 02:50:35,840
you see one vampire one time with teeth

4459
02:50:40,950 --> 02:50:37,600
and it's on the screen

4460
02:50:43,269 --> 02:50:40,960
for a tenth of a second right it's not

4461
02:50:44,950 --> 02:50:43,279
about that it's about telling the story

4462
02:50:47,110 --> 02:50:44,960
you know go back and watch the night

4463
02:50:49,429 --> 02:50:47,120
stalker man i can't i will

4464
02:50:50,710 --> 02:50:49,439
they do the same thing with willow creek

4465
02:50:52,790 --> 02:50:50,720
have you seen willow creek

4466
02:50:54,070 --> 02:50:52,800
no you never see the bigfoot you know i

4467
02:50:55,590 --> 02:50:54,080
just blew it for everyone

4468
02:50:57,190 --> 02:50:55,600
but it's the same everyone's seeing

4469
02:50:58,790 --> 02:50:57,200
willow creek you've got to see it but

4470
02:51:00,070 --> 02:50:58,800
watch it i'll retweet the zinny doll

4471
02:51:01,269 --> 02:51:00,080
thing tonight after the show you

4472
02:51:04,150 --> 02:51:01,279
wouldn't read it gotta watch it it's

4473
02:51:05,990 --> 02:51:04,160
only 20 minutes no i've seen it

4474
02:51:08,630 --> 02:51:06,000
but i'll go back and watch it again i'll

4475
02:51:11,510 --> 02:51:08,640
i'll go back and watch it again but

4476
02:51:11,990 --> 02:51:11,520
questions for you okay so you're in a

4477
02:51:13,750 --> 02:51:12,000
morgue

4478
02:51:15,830 --> 02:51:13,760
you're gonna work there it's graveyard

4479
02:51:17,429 --> 02:51:15,840
shift the guy tells you hey

4480
02:51:18,950 --> 02:51:17,439
i've been hearing weird noise don't

4481
02:51:19,670 --> 02:51:18,960
freak out i gotta leave you alone for

4482
02:51:21,750 --> 02:51:19,680
the shift

4483
02:51:23,510 --> 02:51:21,760
if you hear anything you know just don't

4484
02:51:24,389 --> 02:51:23,520
do anything don't open anything don't go

4485
02:51:26,630 --> 02:51:24,399
anywhere

4486
02:51:28,070 --> 02:51:26,640
just stay in this area and you're in the

4487
02:51:29,429 --> 02:51:28,080
area where they put the bodies in the

4488
02:51:31,110 --> 02:51:29,439
drawers okay

4489
02:51:32,630 --> 02:51:31,120
so you're doing your shift you take your

4490
02:51:34,950 --> 02:51:32,640
break you're sitting down

4491
02:51:37,269 --> 02:51:34,960
eating and all of a sudden you hear

4492
02:51:40,150 --> 02:51:37,279
knocking banging on one of those drawers

4493
02:51:40,389 --> 02:51:40,160
with a dead body in it what do you do do

4494
02:51:45,030 --> 02:51:40,399
you

4495
02:51:47,910 --> 02:51:45,040
i wouldn't be there in the first place

4496
02:51:48,469 --> 02:51:47,920
there's your answer no no no no no no no

4497
02:51:55,590 --> 02:51:48,479
no no

4498
02:51:58,309 --> 02:51:55,600
this is how you know it's safe because

4499
02:52:00,150 --> 02:51:58,319
of the zombie apocalypse here's the test

4500
02:52:01,510 --> 02:52:00,160
you go up to it and you know the

4501
02:52:04,070 --> 02:52:01,520
rhythmic knock bum bum

4502
02:52:05,269 --> 02:52:04,080
bum bum bum bump what you do is you go

4503
02:52:08,469 --> 02:52:05,279
up and you're not going to bum

4504
02:52:09,910 --> 02:52:08,479
bump and if it answers back bum bump

4505
02:52:13,349 --> 02:52:09,920
you open it because you know it's not a

4506
02:52:16,469 --> 02:52:13,359
zombie it's a person that's still alive

4507
02:52:19,590 --> 02:52:16,479
have a great night thank you so much deb

4508
02:52:23,670 --> 02:52:19,600
bye and uh uh

4509
02:52:27,030 --> 02:52:23,680
the uh no i would never

4510
02:52:31,150 --> 02:52:27,040
ever be in a morgue

4511
02:52:34,230 --> 02:52:31,160
reason

4512
02:52:35,429 --> 02:52:34,240
none let's go back to the phones hi

4513
02:52:37,750 --> 02:52:35,439
you're live i'm fade to black who's

4514
02:52:40,389 --> 02:52:37,760
calling

4515
02:52:41,510 --> 02:52:40,399
mr church this is uh chuck elliott from

4516
02:52:44,309 --> 02:52:41,520
pennsylvania sir

4517
02:52:45,110 --> 02:52:44,319
hey chuck how are you tonight man i'm

4518
02:52:47,269 --> 02:52:45,120
good uh

4519
02:52:48,389 --> 02:52:47,279
first things first you had another

4520
02:52:50,630 --> 02:52:48,399
amazing guest

4521
02:52:52,389 --> 02:52:50,640
i i'm being straight up i'm not here to

4522
02:52:55,269 --> 02:52:52,399
talk about the guests but i

4523
02:52:56,550 --> 02:52:55,279
completely love the show anything about

4524
02:52:59,750 --> 02:52:56,560
a previous

4525
02:53:03,190 --> 02:52:59,760
sighting um coming through

4526
02:53:04,790 --> 02:53:03,200
you is always like new news to me no

4527
02:53:07,830 --> 02:53:04,800
matter what i think

4528
02:53:10,309 --> 02:53:07,840
i already know your guests tonight

4529
02:53:13,110 --> 02:53:10,319
opened up even more more doors so as

4530
02:53:15,190 --> 02:53:13,120
always thank you for what you do and

4531
02:53:16,870 --> 02:53:15,200
rita and drew the whole crew over there

4532
02:53:19,910 --> 02:53:16,880
fade to black but

4533
02:53:22,790 --> 02:53:19,920
um reason why i'm calling i wanted to

4534
02:53:23,750 --> 02:53:22,800
share some i think important information

4535
02:53:26,550 --> 02:53:23,760
with the faders

4536
02:53:28,230 --> 02:53:26,560
what's that um all right and i'll be

4537
02:53:31,349 --> 02:53:28,240
quick i know time's short i'm not

4538
02:53:35,510 --> 02:53:31,359
mr techy i say that a lot but i just

4539
02:53:37,510 --> 02:53:35,520
posted on um hashtag f to be

4540
02:53:38,790 --> 02:53:37,520
a facebook link where i can actually

4541
02:53:40,469 --> 02:53:38,800
explain it

4542
02:53:42,630 --> 02:53:40,479
so i don't take up your time or the

4543
02:53:48,230 --> 02:53:42,640
faders die but basically

4544
02:53:51,429 --> 02:53:48,240
i was unfortunately part of one of

4545
02:53:53,510 --> 02:53:51,439
today's modern day hacking scenarios

4546
02:53:55,750 --> 02:53:53,520
which totally sucks right

4547
02:53:56,790 --> 02:53:55,760
but i consider myself smart enough to

4548
02:53:59,190 --> 02:53:56,800
not

4549
02:54:00,950 --> 02:53:59,200
just like you jimmy i don't press on

4550
02:54:01,670 --> 02:54:00,960
links you know how like you how like you

4551
02:54:03,590 --> 02:54:01,680
always say that

4552
02:54:05,670 --> 02:54:03,600
don't click on stuff dude i'm the same

4553
02:54:09,190 --> 02:54:05,680
as you i don't click on crap

4554
02:54:11,750 --> 02:54:09,200
but just again i won't waste all the

4555
02:54:13,110 --> 02:54:11,760
air time but any faders that want to

4556
02:54:14,710 --> 02:54:13,120
watch out for themselves

4557
02:54:16,550 --> 02:54:14,720
which is all of us because i feel like

4558
02:54:17,349 --> 02:54:16,560
i'm calling because i'm watching out for

4559
02:54:19,590 --> 02:54:17,359
my

4560
02:54:21,110 --> 02:54:19,600
extended vader family here because i've

4561
02:54:23,429 --> 02:54:21,120
already told my own family

4562
02:54:24,710 --> 02:54:23,439
because we were all involved the bottom

4563
02:54:27,830 --> 02:54:24,720
line a friend

4564
02:54:30,389 --> 02:54:27,840
of a friend who is really truly a

4565
02:54:31,750 --> 02:54:30,399
very deathly sick person they have

4566
02:54:35,110 --> 02:54:31,760
parkinson's disease

4567
02:54:38,870 --> 02:54:35,120
all that stuff very sad emailed

4568
02:54:41,670 --> 02:54:38,880
my mother-in-law today for some help

4569
02:54:44,550 --> 02:54:41,680
and we helped helped her out getting

4570
02:54:45,910 --> 02:54:44,560
like a nice sweet online gift card for

4571
02:54:48,070 --> 02:54:45,920
her granddaughter

4572
02:54:49,349 --> 02:54:48,080
doesn't like suppose you had an older

4573
02:54:53,110 --> 02:54:49,359
family member

4574
02:54:54,790 --> 02:54:53,120
like my my own nana is 101 man

4575
02:54:56,469 --> 02:54:54,800
i would believe she wouldn't have the

4576
02:54:59,830 --> 02:54:56,479
capabilities to

4577
02:55:02,950 --> 02:54:59,840
go on and do a gift card there were like

4578
02:55:05,429 --> 02:55:02,960
numerous emails and conversations there

4579
02:55:09,110 --> 02:55:05,439
was no clue of a hack

4580
02:55:12,710 --> 02:55:09,120
the whole time it was these

4581
02:55:16,230 --> 02:55:12,720
i can't say the words on the air blank

4582
02:55:19,750 --> 02:55:16,240
hackers were in this sweet sick old

4583
02:55:22,630 --> 02:55:19,760
wonderful person's computer posing

4584
02:55:23,429 --> 02:55:22,640
as her through all these emails

4585
02:55:25,830 --> 02:55:23,439
addresses

4586
02:55:26,950 --> 02:55:25,840
everything were the same you would never

4587
02:55:28,550 --> 02:55:26,960
have known

4588
02:55:30,550 --> 02:55:28,560
so i just wanted to share to my fellow

4589
02:55:32,790 --> 02:55:30,560
faders please be careful

4590
02:55:33,910 --> 02:55:32,800
because we got screwed today man big

4591
02:55:36,710 --> 02:55:33,920
time

4592
02:55:37,269 --> 02:55:36,720
anyway i'm open for questions jimmy oh

4593
02:55:41,830 --> 02:55:37,279
man

4594
02:55:45,190 --> 02:55:41,840
well that that blows um yes it does dude

4595
02:55:48,710 --> 02:55:45,200
that blows i got uh

4596
02:55:51,990 --> 02:55:48,720
um this is about a year ago

4597
02:55:52,950 --> 02:55:52,000
so i get an email exactly like what

4598
02:55:56,950 --> 02:55:52,960
you're describing

4599
02:55:59,429 --> 02:55:56,960
right from somebody that i know really

4600
02:56:01,830 --> 02:55:59,439
well and it's this long

4601
02:56:02,790 --> 02:56:01,840
detailed thing about hey man i'm on the

4602
02:56:06,630 --> 02:56:02,800
road

4603
02:56:09,830 --> 02:56:06,640
um uh i'm out here doing stuff and

4604
02:56:12,630 --> 02:56:09,840
um it's my daughter's birthday and

4605
02:56:14,389 --> 02:56:12,640
um and things you know and i'm just

4606
02:56:17,429 --> 02:56:14,399
stuck in this hotel

4607
02:56:20,790 --> 02:56:17,439
so if you could um

4608
02:56:22,469 --> 02:56:20,800
order um it was what whatever an amazon

4609
02:56:24,870 --> 02:56:22,479
gift card for her

4610
02:56:26,469 --> 02:56:24,880
and and here's the thing and and here's

4611
02:56:28,070 --> 02:56:26,479
the link to go and do it i really

4612
02:56:31,510 --> 02:56:28,080
appreciate it man and

4613
02:56:32,950 --> 02:56:31,520
and um i'll square you up in in a week

4614
02:56:35,429 --> 02:56:32,960
after i get back home and

4615
02:56:37,670 --> 02:56:35,439
it's all good i'm reading the email that

4616
02:56:41,190 --> 02:56:37,680
that was the gist of it right

4617
02:56:43,349 --> 02:56:41,200
and i'm reading it yeah yeah

4618
02:56:44,950 --> 02:56:43,359
i'm reading it and i read it again and i

4619
02:56:49,349 --> 02:56:44,960
read it again i was like

4620
02:56:52,710 --> 02:56:49,359
nah now this is this is a buddy of mine

4621
02:56:55,269 --> 02:56:52,720
this is a researcher this is this is

4622
02:56:55,830 --> 02:56:55,279
somebody you know somebody you know

4623
02:56:58,630 --> 02:56:55,840
right

4624
02:57:01,510 --> 02:56:58,640
exactly exactly so i clicked a reply i

4625
02:57:04,630 --> 02:57:01,520
clicked reply and said

4626
02:57:07,510 --> 02:57:04,640
sorry man go f yourself uh

4627
02:57:08,790 --> 02:57:07,520
right well i know hold on hold on then i

4628
02:57:11,910 --> 02:57:08,800
get an email back

4629
02:57:13,269 --> 02:57:11,920
no man go defend myself but go ahead

4630
02:57:16,230 --> 02:57:13,279
yeah and it will just go f

4631
02:57:17,429 --> 02:57:16,240
yourself so then i get on the phone and

4632
02:57:19,190 --> 02:57:17,439
i call this person

4633
02:57:20,790 --> 02:57:19,200
i said dude you've been hacked and he

4634
02:57:22,870 --> 02:57:20,800
goes man i've been hearing about this

4635
02:57:27,590 --> 02:57:22,880
all day i said somebody has got

4636
02:57:31,070 --> 02:57:27,600
your email yeah they just replied to me

4637
02:57:34,469 --> 02:57:31,080
and uh right right it was it was

4638
02:57:40,389 --> 02:57:34,479
absolutely crazy i couldn't believe it

4639
02:57:43,830 --> 02:57:42,710
where i think i got myself in trouble is

4640
02:57:46,870 --> 02:57:43,840
i never

4641
02:57:50,070 --> 02:57:46,880
saw like on my devices

4642
02:57:51,590 --> 02:57:50,080
any of these emails i looked at my

4643
02:57:52,950 --> 02:57:51,600
mother-in-law's computer

4644
02:57:54,630 --> 02:57:52,960
i'm like what do you got here what do

4645
02:57:57,510 --> 02:57:54,640
you got here and

4646
02:57:59,590 --> 02:57:57,520
i was going off this is my friend it's

4647
02:58:00,710 --> 02:57:59,600
all that's true this person lives around

4648
02:58:03,990 --> 02:58:00,720
the corner from her

4649
02:58:06,950 --> 02:58:04,000
and it looked totally legit where

4650
02:58:08,630 --> 02:58:06,960
i screwed up was i'm like look i got

4651
02:58:11,030 --> 02:58:08,640
amazon prime blue blue blue

4652
02:58:12,710 --> 02:58:11,040
blue i know i know everybody's got

4653
02:58:15,269 --> 02:58:12,720
amazon

4654
02:58:16,309 --> 02:58:15,279
it's easy to do and they know that you

4655
02:58:19,990 --> 02:58:16,319
like such

4656
02:58:30,389 --> 02:58:20,000
but amazon here's where i have

4657
02:58:37,110 --> 02:58:34,070
my account now i got fake text messages

4658
02:58:39,190 --> 02:58:37,120
from these people but amazon

4659
02:58:41,269 --> 02:58:39,200
locked it out and saved me my

4660
02:58:43,910 --> 02:58:41,279
mother-in-law's credit card company

4661
02:58:44,630 --> 02:58:43,920
also knew something was up so we got

4662
02:58:47,510 --> 02:58:44,640
onto it

4663
02:58:48,710 --> 02:58:47,520
quick enough and blocked our stuff down

4664
02:58:51,910 --> 02:58:48,720
we're now having to

4665
02:58:55,910 --> 02:58:51,920
we're having to reset everything now but

4666
02:58:58,070 --> 02:58:55,920
it was so dude it was scary

4667
02:59:01,030 --> 02:58:58,080
what they knew about this sweet old lady

4668
02:59:04,070 --> 02:59:01,040
that is

4669
02:59:06,870 --> 02:59:04,080
it was the same thing in this email

4670
02:59:07,590 --> 02:59:06,880
i'm not doing research i'm out doing

4671
02:59:09,990 --> 02:59:07,600
research

4672
02:59:12,469 --> 02:59:10,000
i'm working on my stuff i'm i'm in a

4673
02:59:14,389 --> 02:59:12,479
hotel it was just like it like it was it

4674
02:59:16,790 --> 02:59:14,399
was spot on it was

4675
02:59:17,750 --> 02:59:16,800
it was really trippy hey chuck i gotta i

4676
02:59:19,429 --> 02:59:17,760
gotta run man

4677
02:59:21,030 --> 02:59:19,439
i know about all right man i'll see you

4678
02:59:25,030 --> 02:59:21,040
tomorrow night

4679
02:59:27,750 --> 02:59:25,040
fade to black to black and that's uh

4680
02:59:28,550 --> 02:59:27,760
chuck and cara thank you so much and uh

4681
02:59:31,670 --> 02:59:28,560
don't ever

4682
02:59:35,030 --> 02:59:31,680
i'm gonna say this again i say it

4683
02:59:39,670 --> 02:59:35,040
every single time never

4684
02:59:43,030 --> 02:59:39,680
ever click on a link don't do it

4685
02:59:45,590 --> 02:59:43,040
don't do it don't do it

4686
02:59:46,710 --> 02:59:45,600
don't do it so buddy i got an email uh

4687
02:59:49,910 --> 02:59:46,720
today

4688
02:59:52,710 --> 02:59:49,920
about uh changing the passwords in my

4689
02:59:54,950 --> 02:59:52,720
bitcoin account now i don't have a

4690
02:59:57,190 --> 02:59:54,960
bitcoin account

4691
02:59:58,710 --> 02:59:57,200
i don't but there's the link to go and

4692
02:59:59,990 --> 02:59:58,720
change and it's just going out to

4693
03:00:02,630 --> 03:00:00,000
everybody

4694
03:00:04,469 --> 03:00:02,640
and you don't know beta black's

4695
03:00:05,990 --> 03:00:04,479
executive producers rita kamarian shows

4696
03:00:07,510 --> 03:00:06,000
produced by hill j palmer nate dennis

4697
03:00:09,190 --> 03:00:07,520
and kevin announcers are steve harter

4698
03:00:11,110 --> 03:00:09,200
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4699
03:00:13,150 --> 03:00:11,120
webmasters drew the geek music doug

4700
03:00:14,950 --> 03:00:13,160
aldridge intro spaceboy

4701
03:00:16,790 --> 03:00:14,960
spaceboymusic.com fade to black is

4702
03:00:17,349 --> 03:00:16,800
produced by kjcr for the game changer

4703
03:00:20,469 --> 03:00:17,359
network

4704
03:00:22,790 --> 03:00:20,479
syndication is kg r a the planet brock

4705
03:00:24,630 --> 03:00:22,800
has owned a copyrighted 2021 by faded

4706
03:00:26,469 --> 03:00:24,640
black in the game changing network inc

4707
03:00:27,910 --> 03:00:26,479
they cannot be re-broadcast download

4708
03:00:28,550 --> 03:00:27,920
copied or used anywhere in the known

4709
03:00:30,230 --> 03:00:28,560
universe

4710
03:00:31,510 --> 03:00:30,240
without written permission from fade to

4711
03:00:33,429 --> 03:00:31,520
block of the game change your network

4712
03:00:37,349 --> 03:00:33,439
camera's jimmy church

4713
03:00:40,230 --> 03:00:37,359
tomorrow night right here chris bledsoe

4714
03:00:41,830 --> 03:00:40,240
that's right until then i want everybody

4715
03:00:58,370 --> 03:00:41,840
to be safe